Fredrik82 said:
the problem is, ofcourse, that you can drop those "38MP" anywhere you want, capture something, and be gone again before anyone can stop you. AND that you can recruit each and every mercenary available.
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the problem is, ofcourse, that you can drop those "38MP" anywhere you want, capture something, and be gone again before anyone can stop you. AND that you can recruit each and every mercenary available.
While France and Burgundy *may* be largely safe to you, due to strategic depth and superior MP/morale, I certainly am not- for me it makes perfect sense to be allied to Austria (And effectively Burgundy and France aswell)
My naval support limit is somewhere around 500 ships- not really enough to protect myself against enterprising Englishmen.
On the other hand Austria, "the great threat to european peace" can hardly reach me- and even if they CAN reach me, through MA or anything, they have two areas to conquer that are far apart in terms of marching armies.
My naval support limit is somewhere around 500 ships- not really enough to protect myself against enterprising Englishmen.
On the other hand Austria, "the great threat to european peace" can hardly reach me- and even if they CAN reach me, through MA or anything, they have two areas to conquer that are far apart in terms of marching armies.
Hive said:
That is not exactly what I said, it was *not* merely the uberness of england, but it did contribute- I'll sleep on it for a night, then give a longer explanation if I DO decide to quit, or withdraw my statement if I don't
Fredrik82 said:
*shrug*
I took Ivoria
And I couldn't take other provinces because I had no LAND ACCESS to them, and thus could get no troops there.
but anyway, stop trying to judge me, when I still need to formulate my reasons...
*shrugs again*Owen said:You're not sure why you want to leave? In that case, don't leave.
I know/knew why, I just need(ed) to make sure that I formulated it as I wanted, and I think I have succeeded in that.
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Now, as to the reason I told Hive I planned to quit:
It was mostly frustration, caused mainly by the following:
1) Portugal.
Aragon's obvious ally, prime target of Aragon's foreign office (funding, coordination, colonial sharing). Lost it's one main advantage, early exploration to gain an economic base. In fact, they were one of the last countries to gain maps to ANY colonial region, which made them quite weak. After that, the subbing start, making preparations for ANYTHING as an alliance quite hard. And it got even worse, eventually, Portugal was even AI'ed. Now, I had two options, the first being the diplomatic way, the second being the military way.
Obviously, at some +200 relations, RM, alliance, MA, the diplomatic way makes the most sense. Imagine my frustration when they time and again refused vasalisation. Add to that that England got a (in effect) FREE vasalisation of Portugal soon afterwards, and you'll understand my frustration.
2) Events and DP's.
Now, this was something I could/should have known. But to be honest, I had not imagined the effect (or perceived effect) this would have. Historical events, even for the Ottoman Empire, overall are POSITIVE in nature, and certainly help in reaching "ideal" DP's (almost all extreme DP's are better than moderate DP's). Aragon, however, had all of one historical event. And even now, halfway through the 18th century, Aragon's DP's are far from ideal.
While not anyone's fault, it did add to my frustration.
3) England.
Not going into the "über" discussion. Whether or not England is/was über, it certainly LOOKED über, and Aragon certainly would NOT be able to do something if England did not want it to happen (Africa is like 80% coastline, in Italy, all provinces border the sea, and both my Capital and CoT are on the coast). Additionally, England held, and still holds (I'll admit this was because I attacked him- after he built a colony in Africa..) one of the most important provinces in Africa, namely Ivoria, not only that, it also meant that my entire "African plan" that is, holding all african ports to prevent exploration of the Indian ocean and Indonesia, was a failure.
4) Random Leaders.
While the idea of random leaders is excellent, and I support it as such, in my oppinion the way it was implemented in THIS campaign was a failure.
Both Aragon and Portugal basically missed the New World campaign, for lack of explorers and conquistadors, meaning that while others were building vast colonial empires, while Aragon and Portugal could do nothing, except colonising a few scraps here and there. IMO the way this was done in Ryoken's 5prov scenario, was better, everyone got the same amount of leaders, and while not exactly at the same time, everyone would get an explorer in a relatively short timespan, not giving anyone the chance to explore and claim a large piece of the new world before someone else would show up.
5) Organisational.
While more of a general problem, than one specific of this campaign, the late starts almost every time, are a source of frustration. Additionally, the end time is not my preferred end time..
6) My neighbours.
Aragon has three neighbours in Europe, Portugal ( see 1) ) France, and Venice. This in effect meant that I had NO chance to expand in Europe, while expectable, it was no fun. France has the clear upper hand in MP, morale and technology, Venice, OTOH, was so much smaller/weaker, that an attack on them would certainly trigger responses from other countries, that would most likely tear my apart.
7) Pushing and bickering.
Two last things that caused my frustration. Firstly, the continueing pushing for Aragon to "do something" and/or to make itself useful. Now, I know that my income looked pretty decent for a long time, but I experienced first hand that Africa, while giving a decent income, costs even more. What frustrated me is that, even after repeatedly making this known, the pushing continued. Secondly, the bickering, while not unique for this campaign, to me was especially frustrating in this particular game.
Now, I hope that I have made clear why I felt the need to tell Hive that I didn't feel like continueing anymore.
However, despite losing a navy of over 17000 ducats (would've been some 12000 if I had had ideal DP's ) last session was an improvement on most fronts, and I will continue this campaign, hoping that it won't drop back down.
Thank you for your attention.
8 sliders, with max 10 moves on 1 slider, makes 80 needed slider moves, at worst... and Aragon was actually pretty close to the "worst" IMHO.Philip II said:2. In this game we have had the opprotunity at least 30 times to alter our DP settings. How is it that your settings are "far from ideal"?
3. So in other words, you trying to gain supremacy of africa was to halt expansion in asia? So you either planned to have asia untouched by europeans, or are you saying you then planned to take control of asia yourself? ~ If this is the case, it means you are quitting because you own pretty much all of africa, but dont have supremacy of asia?
What I was saying is that it was *frustrating* to have done the investment ( building up colonies in Africa, POOR provinces) and not reaping any of the benefits.
Philip II said:Forzaa plz dont quit
how many of you actually read the ENTIRE post?
In the meantime... Venice and Aragon had a nice useless 1v1 war, that cost a lot, and gained neither side anything
PJL said:
because it Hyperteched for a few years, after I expressed an interest in a 1v1
PJL said:
Given that there was no *real* reason to
now, if I'd have a CB, I would have... but this time it was just because I felt like *doing* something that I asked for a war
Fredrik82 said:Same with England, We have been allied to all nations except Aragon and Russia. Russia have allways been friendly and we have fought by these sides in several wars. Aragon is the only country that more or less have hated England from start
Still, Aragon was more or less an ally for a short period when we signed NAPs and protection pacts after we solved the issue with Ivoria.
*mutters in fredrik's general direction*
I might be able to show up- no guarantees.
And me participating in "ANO3" is somewhat dubious aswell- since I'll soon have 3 games again (Throne of Heaven on sunday, Souls of Iron on tuesday, Death before Dishonor 2 on wednesday) and I don't know if I can handle 4 games a week..
And me participating in "ANO3" is somewhat dubious aswell- since I'll soon have 3 games again (Throne of Heaven on sunday, Souls of Iron on tuesday, Death before Dishonor 2 on wednesday) and I don't know if I can handle 4 games a week..
yeah interesting scen- and it seems the CRT's are somewhat more in favour of infantry, compared to normal LT51- so I assume that's soapyfrog's charts...
Maestro put up an interesting fight
Maestro put up an interesting fight
Adam Breit said:You kinda raped him ...
Actually- he kept up quite well in the beginning - he had some 80k or so inf, beating my combined inf-art on several occassions
Hive said:Glad you guys liked it.
I'm sure it will be much more fun in MP when we start with an earlier scenario, though.
yeah- after all those TC's and majors it was fun
my "bugreport" might take a while, because my primary PC is being an annoyance (won't boot) and fixing that has a somewhat higher priority than this
oh and get the earliest scenario ready