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Philip II said:
Forzaa....size isnt everything...after all, your twice the size of france, yet my economy seems to be relativley equal to that of yours, ntm that judging by the size of your navy i would gues that you assume to command a naval nation (of course i could be wrong )...while france is full land and almost at full quality....if a war was fought i would not be so quick to say Aragon would be the winner :D


earlier on, you Frenchie :p

and indeed, after you regained some strength it wouldn't be very wise, now would it :)
 

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Gen. Joohoo said:
i can't play on Thursday, the school is closing due to summervacation!!!
So I will have some good time and perhaps drink some beer or something. Envy me.:p

and i will try to find a sub

drown your sorrow for losing the country? :p
 

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I don't think I particularly like the DoTF change (+.5 morale... that nullifies the effect of being full naval compared to full land IIRC)

But interesting changes they are, indeed.
 

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ouch... crashing in a war with Benin was bad for my countries health...

3 provinces rebel occupied (2 gold provinces, too :( ) and a bunch of rebels walking around in my country.

about 11k left of the 30k that I had nearby to fight the Beninians, and lost my conquistador :(

two ways to look at this, as far as I can see:

1) the rehost should've been immediate for I was at war (which probably doesn't have too many supporters, afterall, it was just AI)

2) The rehost should've been one year, then Jan.

In case 1), I would most likely NOT have lost the troops OR the conquistador. I might have lost some of the income from provinces besieged by rebels.

In that case, I would like my troops back (~17k inf, ~5k Cav) and my leader returned, with an extra lifespan of approx 3.5-4 years (from my crash to the current date, august (or so) '25 to september '29) and approximately 2.5 years of income from the (gold) provinces (looting lasts only 12 months) amounting to ~12*12*2.5=360 in research income.

Edits, case 1) :
-15k infantry, 5k cavalry spread over the various "Benin" armies (or all in one)
-2k infantry to the army in Algeria (which I didn't get to retreat due to my crash, lost about 2k I THINK in attrition due to venetian sieging/marching)
-Leader returned to duty in the Benin territories with an added lifespan of 3.5-4 years
-360 ducats added to LAND research (which is what I was researching)

In case 2), I would probably have lost some of the troops, but most likely not all, can't judge about the leader, but I'd THINK he had a fair chance of being alive still (say 70%) Income from the provinces is somewhat harder to judge, but it looks like one of the provinces only recently (ie. somewhere in '29) fell to rebels, can't tell about the others, most likely at least a year of income lost compared to rehosting, so about ~12*12= 144 in research income.

Edits in case 2) :
- 7k Inf, 3k Cav returned to Beninian armies
- 2k Inf to Algerian army (Venice started the attack in 1527, So i would've been able to withdraw my army before his sieges began)
- Leader returned with an added lifespan of approx a year (less than the lost time, but he COULD have died in the braindead period)
-144 ducats research income added to LAND research


Lost taxes due to braindead amount to maybe 25-30 ducats or so, hard to calculate.

Zaria would have fallen to Benin regardless of my presence, though I *could* have taken it back perhaps.. but if my leader gets revived, it doesn't change much effectively.

Code:
historicalleader = { 
            id = { type = 6 id = 13715 } 
            name = "Guerana" 
            category = conquistador 
            rank = 0 
            fire = 5 
            shock = 5 
            siege = 2 
            movement = 4 
            startdate = { year = 1518 month = january day = 0 } 
            deathdate = { year = 1532 month = april day = 8 } 
            }
 

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PJL said:
But if he did die of attrition, why did I never get any attrition messages????

navies get attrition BEFORE you get attrition messages, that much is sure, and if a navy was still following orders, you will not get attrition messages (as far as I know you only get those if a navy is doing nothing and has an attrition of 12 months or more, or so)



And now for the controversial part of my edit requests :rolleyes: :

the return of control of Toledo(439) and Gerona(427) from the rebels to me OR at the very least, moving sufficient troops there to commence sieging immediately when the session starts.
 

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Hive said:
Oh, and Forzaa you bugger - I already told you to post your editing suggestions in this thread, as I can't be bothered to surf this one several pages back for it. :p


hmm.. guess I saw "link=thread=paradox" :p
will be posting it there ASAP
 

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Fredrik_SWE said:
bah, but that later was worse, i actuelly "talked" to Forzaa for three years, i even asked him why he didn't intercept the rebel forces :eek:o

:rofl:


does raise a question, though...

Is it worse to talk to the friends in your head, or to someone who isn't there?
 

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Hive said:
- Some of the edits suggested by Forzaa. Most notably giving Aragon 360d to his land investment, as I cannot see a reason for that. Braindead AI doesn't touch the sliders, so they should be where he left them.

Just to clear this up, that wasn't because I thought the sliders were moved, but because of lost income I wouldn't have lost if I had been there
 

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World Conqueror said:
Burgundy has now been without those cores for what, 20 years? That probably have resulted in a notable income/tech/manpower loss, though all I demand is to get the cores for thursdays session(which I btw will be playing in).

Thanks for subbing anyhow Cheech.


Cores give NO income/MP/tech bonus WHATSOEVER, unless to keep nationalism down (which you don't have)
 

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And now for a hugely controversial edit proposal:

observations:
-Aragon is the only player nation that doesn't start out with a CoT AND gets no event to create one.
-Lyonnais, Genoa and Veneto are quite close to each other.

proposal: The Genoese CoT might perhaps be moved to a province such as Sicily or Valencia.
(I'm aware that this hurts Venice by removing a CoT from their territory)

comments? alternative ideas?
 

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Philip II said:
Sweden and Austria both *lack* CoTs
PJL said:
They get them in events though....


ForzaA said:
-Aragon is the only player nation that doesn't start out with a CoT AND gets no event to create one.

I love how some people skim posts ;)


New portugal player? Did I miss/skim a post aswell?
I see him saying he doesn't quite like it ATM, but I haven't seen him say "I quit"
 

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Hive said:
A province swap between England and Sweden, protestant religion in Lappland, Narvik etc and the before mentioned CoT change.

does that mean that:
a) the CoT compensates for losses due to previous editing/not-editing mess?
b) you decided not to give compensation for aforementioned mess?
c) you forgot (to mention) compensation for aforementioned mess?
 

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Hive said:
I was thinking in the lines of #a....

Right, in that case I suppose I misunderstood our conversation over ICQ...

devil said:
I bet he was hoping for #c, so he could hypertech even more :D

Damn pacifist dutch :p

"even more" ?

My techs are NOWHERE NEAR hypertech values...
 

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Begging? Are thou crazy?

heya Rob, say hello to your friendly, kind, intelligent, benovelent, Aragonese neighbour :) *




* for whomever these clues are not enough; that is me :)
 

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If I'm
(a) not getting explorers [none whatsoever, not even when everyone and his dog had planted his flag in America]
(b) getting only one conquistador to "unlock" Africa
(c) being challenged even there

Why am I then still the one to stop England from becoming too strong? Why not Sweden, Burgundy or France?
 

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heh, well, let me mention then that there is an off chance that I won't be able to show up in time this session (I should be in time, but it's not certain :( )
 

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They settle it ALL without conflict... yet were first to claim that Aragon was powerteching and whatever.. bunch of cheapskates :p
 

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AFAIK, Portugal and Aragon WERE the only nations to DoW other human countries for colonial interests though (I wonder why this hasn't drawn Barnius' attention yet :( :p )

Or did I miss a war?

EDIT: or was it Russia that DoWed Portugal?
 

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Fredrik82 said:
Yes, i agree. We are little too much ForzaA playstile here :p

WTF? I DoWed both Genoa and Venice when they were sneaking in on my colonial sphere.....