12 SS and Tigers.

[Ddraig5400]

The 101st Heavy Tank Battalion ( Michael Wittmann's unit), whilst not officially apart of the 12 SS, came under direct command of Kurt Meyer, the commander of the 12 SS.

Michael Wittman's famous demise was him leading seven of his Tigers in a counterattack that proved unsuccessful.

I'd like to see these tigers appear in game. Maybe, one Tiger in phase B, and three slots of two Tigers in phase C.

I know that there's an argument against this idea because Tigers, but from previews at rezzed, we saw that Tiger E's were 280 points each, had AP 16 (which means that the more heavily armoured tanks like the Jumbo or AVRE would be immune at long range), and their front armour is only 13, so any decent AT gun is going to pen.

The other argument is that Tigers weren't officially attached to the 12th SS, but neither were Jumbos in the 3rd armoured, or AVRE's to the 15th Infantry, nor were any French tanks in the 91st LuftLande, they were all external units supporting these divisions, so why not give the 12th SS the 101st?

Any thoughts?

 

[captinjoehenry]

As it is I personal feel like the 12 SS is pretty good where tanks are concerned and decent in most other ways. So while it might be nice it really feels unnecessary for the 12 SS and it wouldn't really help them as they only struggle a bit in phase A with their lack of light tanks.

 

[durecellrabbit]

I was wondering where the 101st Tigers were as well. I assume someone else (Lehr?) got them since isn't Wittmann a DLC skin?

 

[Ddraig5400]

I was wondering where the 101st Tigers were as well. I assume someone else (Lehr?) got them since isn't Wittmann a DLC skin?

Yes, the Panzer Lehr will have both Tigers and King Tigers, while the 21st Panzer will have a few King Tigers of its own.

 

[GermanPower]

The 101st Heavy Tank Battalion ( Michael Wittmann's unit), whilst not officially apart of the 12 SS, came under direct command of Kurt Meyer, the commander of the 12 SS.

Michael Wittman's famous demise was him leading seven of his Tigers in a counterattack that proved unsuccessful.

I'd like to see these tigers appear in game. Maybe, one Tiger in phase B, and three slots of two Tigers in phase C.

I know that there's an argument against this idea because Tigers, but from previews at rezzed, we saw that Tiger E's were 280 points each, had AP 16 (which means that the more heavily armoured tanks like the Jumbo or AVRE would be immune at long range), and their front armour is only 13, so any decent AT gun is going to pen.

The other argument is that Tigers weren't officially attached to the 12th SS, but neither were Jumbos in the 3rd armoured, or AVRE's to the 15th Infantry, nor were any French tanks in the 91st LuftLande, they were all external units supporting these divisions, so why not give the 12th SS the 101st?

Any thoughts?

Wittman is a ace in the game I believe. I think tigers will be patched in on release..maybe you just got one or something in 12th SS with two stars or three maybe.

 

[LKHERO]

Wittman is a ace in the game I believe. I think tigers will be patched in on release..maybe you just got one or something in 12th SS with two stars or three maybe.

I believe this will be the case as well. I think the 12.SS will have 1 Tiger in Phase B and that will be Wittman.

 

[_Sev_]

I dont think the 12. SS needs Tigers and since they are worse than Panthers, i understand if someone wants it for flavour, i dont see them as necessary/must have.

 

[RSharpe]

Yes, the Panzer Lehr will have both Tigers and King Tigers, while the 21st Panzer will have a few King Tigers of its own.

Which KTs? The ones with the Porsche turret?

 

[Ddraig5400]

Which KTs? The ones with the Porsche turret?

No, the King Tigers with the Henschel turret.

 

[artemasward]

Yeah, the tigers aren't necessary, but I feel they would've been better for flavour than captured British tanks. Those should go to 21st Pz.

I feel like Eugen really missed the chance to seriously change up the battlegroup mechanic. Instead of the card and deck system carried over from wargame, they could have allowed players to pick a division as a primary influence, with a supporting battalion as a secondary influence. So 12th SS with Whitman's battalion would be fanatical SS panzer grenadiers with expensive tigers, but 12th SS with air defence regiment would be fanatical panzer grenadiers with some 88s. But whatever, its too late now i guess.

 

[1776ZOOMSNIPE1911]

The 101st Heavy Tank Battalion ( Michael Wittmann's unit), whilst not officially apart of the 12 SS, came under direct command of Kurt Meyer, the commander of the 12 SS.

Michael Wittman's famous demise was him leading seven of his Tigers in a counterattack that proved unsuccessful.

I'd like to see these tigers appear in game. Maybe, one Tiger in phase B, and three slots of two Tigers in phase C.

I know that there's an argument against this idea because Tigers, but from previews at rezzed, we saw that Tiger E's were 280 points each, had AP 16 (which means that the more heavily armoured tanks like the Jumbo or AVRE would be immune at long range), and their front armour is only 13, so any decent AT gun is going to pen.

The other argument is that Tigers weren't officially attached to the 12th SS, but neither were Jumbos in the 3rd armoured, or AVRE's to the 15th Infantry, nor were any French tanks in the 91st LuftLande, they were all external units supporting these divisions, so why not give the 12th SS the 101st?

Any thoughts?

Perhaps his tank is a command tiger 1 with one card, would be really cool to use his tank!

 

[Commiekiller757]

Wittman is a ace in the game I believe. I think tigers will be patched in on release..maybe you just got one or something in 12th SS with two stars or three maybe.

I believe this will be the case as well. I think the 12.SS will have 1 Tiger in Phase B and that will be Wittman.

No, the "ace" ingame is just a skin, no more.

 

[1776ZOOMSNIPE1911]

No, the "ace" ingame is just a skin, no more.

There is a skin but the OP i believe wanted the tiger to be in the unit

 

[Commiekiller757]

There is a skin but the OP i believe wanted the tiger to be in the unit

It's not like they're locking away parts of the divisions, what you have right now with any deck is what you'll have at release is what I gather.

 

[Max_Damage]

Tigers will be something like 12 armor and 16 AP 6 accuracy?

I know 12 armor(8 side?) looks silly when the shermans have 11 armor.

TLDR they will be nothing special when compared to the panthers, you might as well like the panthers more.

 

[TheUrkkiMan]

And it was confirmed that the game will have 1 div. with Tiger II (H) and 1 div. with Tiger II (P)

 

[pras]

Yeah, the tigers aren't necessary, but I feel they would've been better for flavour than captured British tanks. Those should go to 21st Pz.

I feel like Eugen really missed the chance to seriously change up the battlegroup mechanic. Instead of the card and deck system carried over from wargame, they could have allowed players to pick a division as a primary influence, with a supporting battalion as a secondary influence. So 12th SS with Whitman's battalion would be fanatical SS panzer grenadiers with expensive tigers, but 12th SS with air defence regiment would be fanatical panzer grenadiers with some 88s. But whatever, its too late now i guess.

Now that you put it like that... this thing would made a heck of a lot more sense, it would be even more interesting because simply from the group emblem you couldn't tell what exactly will be facing you.

 

[Spielführer]

It's not like they're locking away parts of the divisions, what you have right now with any deck is what you'll have at release is what I gather.

Indeed. Divisions are final

 

[Rocksitter]

Please buff Tigers it started here first hahhah oh wait maybe in pre beta damn it.

 

[pras]

I don't know, the gun seems right, frontal armour might deserve a +1 perhaps.