1066 scenario bugfix project.

[C.N.]

v5 is available.

Changes:
- Border changes in Croatia-Hungary area.
- Border, religion & culture changes in Russia.
- Caithness & Sutherland Scottish culture, Sutherland independent.

Hopefully this version work.

 

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I reinstalled LUCKs and it appeared to work fine so don't know what happened...

 

[richvh]

2v5 loads fine for me. C.N., your page still says the latest is ver 3, while the link on it correctly says and points to 2v5.

 

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Also, Bari and Naples (and other Orthodox provinces in S. Italy and Sicily) should be changed to Catholic, as they were much more influenced by the Pope than the Patriarch by this time.

That is actually quite untrue. The population in these provinces was most definitely eastern (byzantine) rite, and in fact remnants of the eastern rite remained until modern times. They had also been had been ecclesiastically subject to the Patriarch from the time of the Isaurians (8th century) until the 1050ies. Of course at the time the game begins they had been put under the authority of Rome by the Normans, but the situation was no different from that of most of the Empire after 1204.

BTW, the end results in the two cases makes me kind of understand the thinking of Scholarius.

Anyway IMHO the religion of the provinces should remain as it is in 1.02.

 

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Also, the idea that the Emperor should have the title of king of Bulgaria is ahistorical. The kingdom of Bulgaria was simply dissolved in 1018, and its territory carved into a number of themes, one of which was the theme of Bulgaria in the upper Vardar.

The fact was that the Emperor would not even think of stooping so low as to claim a barbarian's title.

Additionally, the title of Bulgaria should definitely include the provinces of strymon and Ochrid as these were the heartland of Samuil's and the spiritual center of Symeon's Bulgarian Empires.

 

[C.N.]

Also, the idea that the Emperor should have the title of king of Bulgaria is ahistorical. The kingdom of Bulgaria was simply dissolved in 1018, and its territory carved into a number of themes, one of which was the theme of Bulgaria in the upper Vardar.

The fact was that the Emperor would not even think of stooping so low as to claim a barbarian's title.

Additionally, the title of Bulgaria should definitely include the provinces of strymon and Ochrid as these were the heartland of Samuil's and the spiritual center of Symeon's Bulgarian Empires.

Orthodox provinces: I will change them back if people doesn't come up with some good counterargument.

Bulgaria: It is either giving the title to the emperor, or allowing the Prince of Varna to declare himself King of Bulgaria and becoming independent. Which one is preferable?
I'll take a look at Strymon & Ochrid next time I update.

 

[richvh]

Bulgaria: It is either giving the title to the emperor, or allowing the Prince of Varna to declare himself King of Bulgaria and becoming independent. Which one is preferable?

What about giving the Emperor enough counties currently under Varna's control/vassalage to keep Varna from claiming the kingdom?

 

[Solmyr]

Orthodox provinces: I will change them back if people doesn't come up with some good counterargument.

Bulgaria: It is either giving the title to the emperor, or allowing the Prince of Varna to declare himself King of Bulgaria and becoming independent. Which one is preferable?
I'll take a look at Strymon & Ochrid next time I update.

Ok, change the south Italians back to Orthodox. IMO they should be made Italian culture though, otherwise you run a serious risk of causing the Hautevilles to become Greek.

Re. Bulgaria, IMO the title should be given to the Emperor (as well as kingdom of Serbia). If someone wants to go independent, they should claim the title and take it through rebellion/war. It wasn't just a matter of seceding (particularly as in the current version of CK, the Emperor can do absolutely nothing to prevent it and does not even get a claim).

 

[Solmyr]

What about giving the Emperor enough counties currently under Varna's control/vassalage to keep Varna from claiming the kingdom?

I would actually say that most everyone in Byzantium should be a direct vassal of the Emperor, not just the Princes.

 

[Dibo]

Re. Bulgaria, IMO the title should be given to the Emperor (as well as kingdom of Serbia). If someone wants to go independent, they should claim the title and take it through rebellion/war. It wasn't just a matter of seceding (particularly as in the current version of CK, the Emperor can do absolutely nothing to prevent it and does not even get a claim).

This sounds a good solution to me
After all Assen and Peter were local nobles, disgruntled and bold enough to rebel against the Empire claiming the old title of Tzar of Bulgaria in 1185.
But they were not the only ones - in XI-XII centuries there were several unsuccessful rebellions that strived to revive the old Bulgarian state. Each rebel leader immediately proclaimed himself Tzar, after capturing a somewhat considerable amount of territory.

 

[C.N.]

V6 is now available.

Changes:
- More Rus changes. (nearly finished)
- Changed religion of some provinces in Southern Italy & Sicily back to Orthodox.
- Changed inheritance laws of some German states from salic to semisalic (prim.).

The next update will probably focus on terrain and Hungary-Croatia area (maybe also some Byzantine stuff).

 

[Solmyr]

- Changed inheritance laws of some German states from salic to semisalic (prim.).

Actually pretty much all of them should be changed to semisalic, IMO. All the various German and N. Italian fiefs were passed down through females at various points in time.

So in addition to the duchies I mentioned above, also Milano (can't recall the tag), VERO, and TOSC should have semisalic. Furthermore, there are some counties that are direct vassals of the king who should be semisalic (Besancon is one, there were some others too).

Elsewhere: the Iberian kingdoms should also be semisalic to be historically correct.

Not 100% sure: Bohemia, Poland, and Hungary. Should they be semisalic? Their original dynasties ruled for a long time, but eventually they were passed through women. Perhaps our Polish/Czech/Hungarian colleagues care to comment?

Heck, pretty much everyone in Catholic Europe should be semisalic. Even France only changed to Salic later on.

 

[Arkady]

from your first post :

I just started a small bugfix project for the Crusader Kings 1066 scenario.

not really small
:rofl:

but good work and I hope that Paradox use it in next patch

SOLMYR:
no Bohemia should be strictly salic in 11th century, and for Premyslides, Vratislav's father proposed new inheritance law that oldest man in dynasty get throne.

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I've made improvement to Coat of Arms for Bohemia and provinces, if you are using this C.N.'s scenario bugfix you can install it complete as I change flags for Morava and Österreich provinces to reflect improvement of their status
see Bohemia CoAs thread

 

[richvh]

I was researching which faces were dark in the selection screen and light in-game for a bug forum thread last night, and found these anomalies that are also still in the 1066 bugfix scenario:

The Bey of Fars, a Turkish Muslim, is selectable
The Duke (Prince?) of Strymon is selectable in the county column

 

[Solmyr]

The Duke (Prince?) of Strymon is selectable in the county column

Same with Duke/Prince of Bosnia.

 

[richvh]

In the current bugfix scenario, I think the Prince of Bosnia has already been corrected. I saw it wrong in the Paradox Hastings scenario, and looked for (but did not see) it wrong in the Post-Hastings Bugfix scenario.

 

[C.N.]

Additionally, the title of Bulgaria should definitely include the provinces of strymon and Ochrid as these were the heartland of Samuil's and the spiritual center of Symeon's Bulgarian Empires.

These are way to the west. I need opinions on this change.

 

[C.N.]

What about giving the Emperor enough counties currently under Varna's control/vassalage to keep Varna from claiming the kingdom?

Well, if you want this kind of change, start the 1066 Byzantium thread and post something concrete for me to work with.

 

[C.N.]

The Bey of Fars, a Turkish Muslim, is selectable
The Duke (Prince?) of Strymon is selectable in the county column

I'll take a look at these and Bosnia.
Fars was wrongly a catholic in 1.01, at it seems that Paradox forgot to remove him as selectable.

 

[Solmyr]

Reposting from the Rus thread, with corrections:

The main cities if Rus should have their income increased (both to show their importance and to ensure that they remain capitals). In particular the following should have higher income:

- Kiev 4 to 9
- Pereyaslavl 4 to 6
- Polotsk 4 to 6
- Novgorod Seversky 5 to 6

To compensate, reduce the following:
- Rostov 6 to 5
- Syrj 10 (!!!) to 2
- Starya Russa 8 (!!!) to 2
- Sharukan 6 to 5