1066 scenario bugfix project.

[unmerged(20604)]

hmm why not just set the starting date to 1067?
If it could avoid any problems. And one moth more or less isn't that important.
(Ie if it was going to start december 1066).

 

[C.N.]

hmm why not just set the starting date to 1067?
If it could avoid any problems. And one moth more or less isn't that important.
(Ie if it was going to start december 1066).

Undead Swedish king (deathdate aug 1066), which is a much bigger problem.

 

[C.N.]

Has anyone noticed that the Duke of Meissen seems to have Swedish culture? That should be fixed too.

Yes, it has been noticed, but I had forgotten this problem. He also have all stats 0.

 

[Solmyr]

Reposting from the bug forum:

Duke of Catalonia (historically count of Barcelona) should be either independent or (possibly) a vassal of the French king. In 1066 Barcelona was in no way a vassal of Aragon.

This might also help keep Iberia from being overrun by Muslims, by involving the French in warfare there.

 

[DoS]

Yes, it has been noticed, but I had forgotten this problem. He also have all stats 0.

Oh I thought my thread where I commented also on that issue was early enough so that this could already be fixed in 1.01 patch. I hate it when I´m too late, its as always .

Edit: refering to the Lausitz/Plauen issue, a better name for the province Plauen would have been "Altenburg" or "Vogtland" since its a big arrea covering large parts of todays Saxony. The city mentioned is older (1170) and more important for the timeframe. Altenburg got the municipal law from Barbarossa, while Plauen got it in 1244. But since there is so much editing involved its not that important

 

[C.N.]

Reposting from the bug forum:

Duke of Catalonia (historically count of Barcelona) should be either independent or (possibly) a vassal of the French king. In 1066 Barcelona was in no way a vassal of Aragon.

This might also help keep Iberia from being overrun by Muslims, by involving the French in warfare there.

This means that Aragon will be an one-province Kingdom. Is that ok or should other changes also be made?

 

[Solmyr]

This means that Aragon will be an one-province Kingdom. Is that ok or should other changes also be made?

Well, Aragon was quite small and weak until unification with Barcelona. So it's probably okay, if we want to be historically accurate. I will post more later when I fire up the game.

 

[C.N.]

Sorry Paradox, your time is out. It is past 23.4.

Version 0.03 is now available:
1066B1v3.zip

Changes:
- Fixed CTD when trying to play Steiermark.
- Bari moved to Roman Empire and given a small castle.
- Thessalonike is now a direct vassal under the Emperor.
- The Emperor is now also King of Bulgaria.
- Bugged Duke of Meissen corrected.
- Catalonia now starts as a vassal of France.
- Removed leftover characters from the Franconia - Germany bugfix.

TODO:
- Burgundy: I want a concrete proposal on which province of the duchy should be a vassal of who before I move it to France.
- Stephanos Pateranos: Should he be count of Bari? If you think so, then make a character entry for him.
- Merge the Godwineson, Tostison characters into one dynasty.
- Fix Krakow CTD bug.
- Fix stats of the duke of Kärnten.

NOTE: If you want that I add a character, then make a working entry for this character and post it. Could someone who knows give us a safe range for new character ids?

EDIT:
Spotted just two bug in the bug forum, Krakow CTD bug and 0-stat duke of Kärnten bug.

 

[DoS]

I have found something strange in the file, since I dont have the game yet, I can not look into how it is implemented in the game. First I show you what I mean and then comment on it:

character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 7160 }
name = "Otto"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id =527 }
country = MEIS
religion = catholic
culture = German
birthdate = { year = 1002 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 1067 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "90575479386046"
attributes = {
martial = 8
diplomacy = 4
intrigue = 6
stewardship = 7
health = 6
fertility = 6
}
traits = {
arbitrary = yes
tough_soldier = yes
}
}


This is definetly the right Otto Duke of Meissen in 1066, even if his Birthdate is wrong, it should be around 1027. As far as I know there is no other Otto Duke of Meissen who died in 1067.

 

[gweinel]

- Thessalonike is now a direct vassal under the Emperor.

I would add that it has to be beefed up at least its base income, since it was the second city after Constantinopole (Now it is one of the poorest provinces).
Also you could add a real ruler: The ruler of Thessaloniki at 1081 was Nicephoros Mellisinos. I couldn't find yet the ruler of 1066. There is a thread of Thessaloniki that backs all these. http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140078

Finally there is description of the banner there... I don't know if it is possible to make it...

THanks

 

[C.N.]

I would add that it has to be beefed up at least its base income, since it was the second city after Constantinopole (Now it is one of the poorest provinces).
Also you could add a real ruler: The ruler of Thessaloniki at 1081 was Nicephoros Mellisinos. I couldn't find yet the ruler of 1066. There is a thread of Thessaloniki that backs all these. http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140078

Finally there is description of the banner there... I don't know if it is possible to make it...

THanks

1. I will beef up the base income, if I decide to include a provinces.csv. The same also goes for the requested raising of base income of Kiev. This file would be optional and would have be moved by hand to the db directory where it would replace the original Paradox one.

2. I'm a bit sceptical of adding a ruler that doesn't yet rules to Thessalonike. Does the Mellisinos family exist elsewhere in the game in 1066? If not you could perhaps invent a father for him that I could add as a ruler in 1066.
And like I said, if you want a character in, post him/her here. I'm not intrested in making up data for hundreds of new characters. You know about them, you post them, I include them.

3. For the banner, chat with the graphics people. I have seen some threads about the CoA:s in this forum. The graphics patch have to be separate from this project however. Since I don't change any tags it should work as well with this scenario as with the Paradox version.

 

[C.N.]

This is definetly the right Otto Duke of Meissen in 1066, even if his Birthdate is wrong, it should be around 1027. As far as I know there is no other Otto Duke of Meissen who died in 1067.

There is no other non-ruling relative named Otto?
I will take a look at this when I update next.

 

[DoS]

There is no other non-ruling relative named Otto?
I will take a look at this when I update next.

Its not that important, since maybe there are complications if you make changes to it. Not that we add him coincidentally to another dynasty and dont want to gameplaywise. Maybe its better to wait for an official patch...

Edit: Here is a link to my threat BtW, maybe you´ll find an answer to your question if there is no other Otto there :
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138030

 

[gweinel]

1. I will beef up the base income, if I decide to include a provinces.csv. The same also goes for the requested raising of base income of Kiev. This file would be optional and would have be moved by hand to the db directory where it would replace the original Paradox one.

2. I'm a bit sceptical of adding a ruler that doesn't yet rules to Thessalonike. Does the Mellisinos family exist elsewhere in the game in 1066? If not you could perhaps invent a father for him that I could add as a ruler in 1066.
And like I said, if you want a character in, post him/her here. I'm not intrested in making up data for hundreds of new characters. You know about them, you post them, I include them.

3. For the banner, chat with the graphics people. I have seen some threads about the CoA:s in this forum. The graphics patch have to be separate from this project however. Since I don't change any tags it should work as well with this scenario as with the Paradox version.

2) I am sure somewhere else existed Although I don't know where. The Melissinos family was a great one with history in Byz internal affairs. It was like the families of Phokas, Skliros, Comnenos etc. I can invent the father of Mellisinos, but I prefer to search a little more in case I find the real ruler. By Monday or Tuesday I ll have a definite answer to that subject!

Btw, you do a great job!

Thanks

 

[Solmyr]

I noticed some very strange distribution of province and ruler cultures.

Provinces between Rus and Volga river: Mordva, Burtasy, Chuvash, Mountain Cheremisa, Grassland Cheremisa, and Merya. All have Lithuanian culture and Lithuanian rulers. Should be changed to something more appropriate - unfortunately the closest available culture is Cuman (not perfect, but better than Lithuanian).

Provinces along the Volga: Zyriane, Votyaki, Kama, Bilyar, Bulgar, Syrt, Saray, Lower Volga, and Itil. All have Russian Muslim culture and rulers. Zyriane and Votyaki have South Slavic Muslim rulers (maybe they were trying to model the Volga Bulgars?). Anyhow, all should be changed to Cuman and/or Mongol.

The Galician provinces: El Bierzo, Santiago, and Compostela. All set to Castillan culture. I would advocate changing to Portuguese, since Galician culture is much closer to Portuguese than to Castillan.

Finally a few words on rulers.

Peter de Maurienne, count of Savoy, has German culture. Should be Frankish or Italian (probably Frankish, at this stage - let his descendants become Italian through the game engine).

Abbasid Caliph is Persian in 1066. Should be Arab, duh.

Most of Seljuq vassals are Arabs, while the Sultan is Turkish. More vassals should probably be Turkish.

Finally, provinces in Persia should have Persian culture. Let it morph to Turkish naturally through the game events.

 

[Solmyr]

As an addendum to the previous post, I noticed that in world_names.csv (config folder), there are both Russian and Eastern Slavic cultures defined. Since they are essentially the same thing, one could be used for something else entirely (like the aforementioned missing culture for provinces along the Volga).

 

[C.N.]

Its not that important, since maybe there are complications if you make changes to it. Not that we add him coincidentally to another dynasty and dont want to gameplaywise. Maybe its better to wait for an official patch...

Edit: Here is a link to my threat BtW, maybe you´ll find an answer to your question if there is no other Otto there :
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138030

I checked, the courtier is called Otto Orlamunde, so it is the right Otto.
BTW, the other courtiers in Meissen are Heinrich Wettin and father and son Egbert Brunswick.

 

[C.N.]

V4 is now available:

Changes:
- Galicia now has Portuguese culture.
- Base income in Thessalonike area, Kiev area and the poorest provinces adjusted. (Requires the user to install new Provinces.csv by hand)
- 0-stat characters corrected.
- The ruler of Fars is now moslem.
- The Ruling family of Leinster and Western Isles is merged into one dynasty.
- Fixed CTD when trying to play Duchy of Krakow.
- Put the right Otto on the throne of Meissen and fixed his birth year.

TODO:
- Fix Burgundy setup.
- Fix cultures in Russia around Volga and in Persia.
- Fix cultures for ruling families of Savoy, Abbasides and Seljuq vassals.
- Add a count of Bari and other ruler tweaks?

Download link:
1066B1v4.zip

 

[C.N.]

I noticed some very strange distribution of province and ruler cultures.

Provinces between Rus and Volga river: Mordva, Burtasy, Chuvash, Mountain Cheremisa, Grassland Cheremisa, and Merya. All have Lithuanian culture and Lithuanian rulers. Should be changed to something more appropriate - unfortunately the closest available culture is Cuman (not perfect, but better than Lithuanian).

Provinces along the Volga: Zyriane, Votyaki, Kama, Bilyar, Bulgar, Syrt, Saray, Lower Volga, and Itil. All have Russian Muslim culture and rulers. Zyriane and Votyaki have South Slavic Muslim rulers (maybe they were trying to model the Volga Bulgars?). Anyhow, all should be changed to Cuman and/or Mongol.

The whole Russia & Baltic area cultures needs to the checked and corrected. I have seen complaints about Pommerania and Estonia also.
You say that Cuman is the closest culture of the provinces that now has Lithuanian incorrectly. What should they really have?
Should the provinces along the Volga keep their Muslim religion?

The Galician provinces: El Bierzo, Santiago, and Compostela. All set to Castillan culture. I would advocate changing to Portuguese, since Galician culture is much closer to Portuguese than to Castillan.

Fixed.

Finally a few words on rulers.

Peter de Maurienne, count of Savoy, has German culture. Should be Frankish or Italian (probably Frankish, at this stage - let his descendants become Italian through the game engine).

Abbasid Caliph is Persian in 1066. Should be Arab, duh.

I ran out of motivation and wanted to get the CTD bug fixed ASAP. Will correct these two when I update next. The whole family have to be corrected in both cases.

Most of Seljuq vassals are Arabs, while the Sultan is Turkish. More vassals should probably be Turkish.

Which ones? All?

Finally, provinces in Persia should have Persian culture. Let it morph to Turkish naturally through the game events.

Borders for Persian culture?

 

[Raczynski]

Currently there are two characters named "Kazimir" in characters file. On is a father of Polish king Boleslaw II the Bold, Kazimierz (not "Kazimir") I the Restorer and is rightfully dead (id = 699) Other one is his evil twin and a courtier in Polish court (id = 504). Please delete him.