1066 cultures

[Tunch Khan]

- Changing the Emir title would mess up various existing Muslim duchy-tier nations that are ruled by Emirs, which is historically correct for them. So it's best not to do it. If there is a smaller title to replace Sheik then you could do it. Perhaps Qadi?

Qadi is just a chief judge, the highest officer, but never a ruler. Rulers were of noble origin and had military training while Qadis were part of the clergy. However, there were one or two cities ruled by such Qadis, like Tripoli/Trablus-Sham, but they were exceptions. But let me think of other alternatives...

 

[unmerged(14905)]

I'm not going to touch Southslavic culture with a ten-foot pole. If you want to divide it, do it yourself on top of the bugfix.

Very, very, veeery wise choice...

 

[Tunch Khan]

Below are the titles already assigned, and i see Sultanate and Kalipahte among them. Does anyone know how to use them?

TIER_COUNTY;County of;;;;;;;;;;x
TIER_COUNT;Count;;;;;;;;;;x
TIER_COUNTESS;Countess;;;;;;;;;;x
TIER_COUNTY_MUSLIM;Sheikdom of;;;;;;;;;;x
TIER_COUNT_MUSLIM;Sheik;;;;;;;;;;x
TIER_COUNTY_PAGAN;Chiefdom of;;;;;;;;;;x
TIER_COUNT_PAGAN;Chief;;;;;;;;;;x
TIER_COUNTESS_PAGAN;Chieftess;;;;;;;;;;x
TIER_COUNTY_TURKISH;Beydom of;;;;;;;;;;x
TIER_COUNT_TURKISH;Bey;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_DUCHY;Duchy of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_DUKE;Duke;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_DUCHESS;Duchess;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_KINGDOM_PAGAN;Tribe of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_DUCHY_PAGAN;Tribe of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_DUKE_PAGAN;High Chief;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_DUCHESS_PAGAN;High Chief;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_DUCHY_ORTHODOX;Principality of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_DUKE_ORTHODOX;Prince;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_DUCHESS_ORTHODOX;Princess;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_DUCHY_MUSLIM;Emirate of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_DUKE_MUSLIM;Emir;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_EMPIRE;Empire of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_KINGDOM;Kingdom of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_KING;King;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_QUEEN;Queen of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_KINGDOM_TURKISH;Sultanate of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_KING_TURKISH;Sultan;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_COUNTY_REPUBLIC;Republic of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_DUCHY_REPUBLIC;Republic of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_KINGDOM_REPUBLIC;Republic of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_COUNT_REPUBLIC;Magistrate;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_DUKE_REPUBLIC;Governor;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_KING_REPUBLIC;Consul;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_SULTANATE;Sultanate of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_SULTAN;Sultan;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_KHALIFATE;Khalifate of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_KHALIF;Khalif;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_LORDSHIP;Lordship of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_LORD;Lord;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_LADY;Lady;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_ARCHDUCHY;Archduchy of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_ARCHDUKE;Archduke;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_ARCHDUCHESS;Archduchess;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_GRANDDUCHY;Grand Duchy of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_GRANDDUKE;Grand Duke;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_GRANDDUCHESS;Grand Duchess;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_COUNTY_ECCLESTICAL;Bishopric of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_COUNT_ECCLESTICAL;Bishop;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_DUCHY_ECCLESTICAL;Archbishopric of;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_DUKE_ECCLESTICAL;Archbishop;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_KING_ECCLESTICAL;Pope;;;;;;;;;;x
TIER_GRANDMASTER;Grandmaster;;;;;;;;;;X
TIER_KING_EMPIRE;Emperor;;;;;;;;;;x

 

[Havard]

Below are the titles already assigned, and i see Sultanate and Kalipahte among them. Does anyone know how to use them?

You can't. They are, along with e.g. Lordship, Archduchy and Grand Duchy, are not used...

 

[Tunch Khan]

You can't. They are, along with e.g. Lordship, Archduchy and Grand Duchy, are not used...

So in that case perhaps the Grand Dukes of Paradox can fix the Kaliphate titles in the upcoming patch. /me crosses his fingers.

 

[unmerged(27913)]

You can't. They are, along with e.g. Lordship, Archduchy and Grand Duchy, are not used...

But why are the in then?

 

[unmerged(14905)]

But why are the in then?

a leftover of the programming stage, I think.

 

[Havard]

But why are the in then?

My guess is that the initial design had these, but that they were put aside when implementation proved to be too much work.

Also keep in mind that the original design (and implementation) has been through at least one, perhaps two major re-evaluations...

 

[Tunch Khan]

My guess is that the initial design had these, but that they were put aside when implementation proved to be too much work.

Also keep in mind that the original design (and implementation) has been through at least one, perhaps two major re-evaluations...

Is there a way for Paradox to let the modders use these tags in the next patch?

 

[Havard]

Is there a way for Paradox to let the modders use these tags in the next patch?

If they were easy to implement it would heve been done long ago...

 

[Tunch Khan]

For the first time recently i've found time to play instead of modding and i've noticed in my game as Count of Naples that, by the middle of the 12th century there are no Turkish rulers left in the Sultanate of Seljuk. Actually the reason i paid attention is, there was no Sultanate of Seljuk at all, it had transformed into Kingdom of Seljuks and all the rulers and their heirs were either Persian or Arabic.
The reason is obvious, they all marry non-turkish wifes, since there aren't enough of them at the beginning and they assimilate.
The solution is to make more turkish beys and emirs at the beginning.

 

[Solmyr]

I've changed most Seljuk vassals to Turkish in v4.

They can still "go native" in Persian provinces (15% chance), but that's not too unhistorical...

 

[Solmyr]

About the Norse and Irish cultures in Scotland, can you guys take a look at v3 and see if anything else needs to be changed for v4?

 

[Enravota]

i think south slavic should be renamed to slavonic. as it is the ancient name of south slavs (veneti are western slavic, anti eastern slavic, slavoni are south slavic) anyway people on the bolkans there refered to themselves eather by ethnic name (srb, hrvat, bu(u as in up)lgar) or as part of the slavic (not mencioning southern anywhere just slavian/sloven)

 

[Arilou]

Just for the record I'd support a merging of the Scandinavian cultures... There really wasn't much of a difference.

 

[Brownbeard]

how bout this:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158921

this could easily solve the name issues with southslavic culture, and allow keeping separate names and merging scandinavian and iberian cultures.

btw. southslavic is better and more specific than slavonic. veneti were an illyric tribe, anti were protoslavs from long long ago... not the same era

 

[Enravota]

for most historicans s. slavic=slavonic
that veneti are the western branch of the slavs and to claim other must be brought with facts (different from serbs and russian were slavic, so we do not want to be too )
merging scandinavians is good idea, but if their tags are used elsewere there will be EU2 conversation problems for sure, and i AM sure many people will want to convert their games later.

do not get me wrong, i'd love to se bolkan nations, slovak and all the others mising, but the best way must be found. also thechnology spreading wil get affected, wich may be very bad
btw the id tag override is a cool idea, but you must work it a bit, let hope it will BE the best way. from what i see if its not the best way its pretty damn close to it (though my view of things is pretty bad as i'm quite a rookie moder)

 

[Brownbeard]

for most historicans s. slavic=slavonic
that veneti are the western branch of the slavs and to claim other must be brought with facts (different from serbs and russian were slavic, so we do not want to be too )
merging scandinavians is good idea, but if their tags are used elsewere there will be EU2 conversation problems for sure, and i AM sure many people will want to convert their games later.

do not get me wrong, i'd love to se bolkan nations, slovak and all the others mising, but the best way must be found. also thechnology spreading wil get affected, wich may be very bad
btw the id tag override is a cool idea, but you must work it a bit, let hope it will BE the best way. from what i see if its not the best way its pretty damn close to it (though my view of things is pretty bad as i'm quite a rookie moder)

slavonic is synonime with slavic, in just about any dictionary

veneti might be a homonime, but as far as i know they were an illyric tribe living in todays NE italy and western Slovenia. and seems that some slovenian historians now claim that slovenians are not of slavic but of veneti-celtic origin...

 

[Enravota]

veneti might be a homonime

yes, i think there were another venetians in gaul too (third one). the ones you speak about gave the name to VENETIa, yet still as far as i know the west slavic tribes are called veneti (i think the one in pomerania surely used that name), and i'm not sure why celts having no link with the slavs will call themselves sloveni( )
you're right that slavic is most right from all three (since nobody refered to himself as south slav or slavonic, but as nationality name or as slav)
but as there are other slavic enteties around the map.

maybe both west slavic and south slavic be changed to slavic, as it is most accurate but it may couse confusion in players.

 

[Solmyr]

Just for the record I'd support a merging of the Scandinavian cultures... There really wasn't much of a difference.

The problem here is that there are separate name lists for individual Scandinavian cultures, but not for the Norse one. So to unite them would mean making them all Danish, Swedish, or Norwegian, and that's bound to piss someone off.