Yeah @Meridar how dare you ask a simple question! Can't you see that SJW's are instantly there to correct you?
1 ss div LAH and 2 ss div Das Reich
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Wittman lasted two battles the western front. He got profoundly lucky the first time and became a briquette in the second one.
Peiper lost in all ways it was possible to lose in the Bulge, often against scattered and cut off rear area troops. I'm struggling to figure out how you see him as a good example of anything.
I mean everyone did war crimes! The Allies sent millions to death camps too, gunned down POWs for racial purity reason.....oh wait no they didn't.
The Soviets especially but the Allies too did some bad things. But trying to morally equate those acts to the Nazis and the SS just shows a profound amount of ignorance vs any sort of mature understanding of the topic.
It is not like he killed dozens of tanks on the eastern front already
It is not like he killed dozens of tanks on the eastern front already
He was a Tiger Dude at a time when conditions were most favorable to Tigers on the eastern front. When he went west to conditions that did not favor the Tiger he died like a chump once he faced an enemy in a condition to shoot back.
I personally applaud him for being the best kind of Nazi at the end, I just wish he'd made the transition earlier in his life.
Im really tired of SJW keyboard historians going after people that want to see other divisions especially SS divs and the calling of Nazi boo's or Wehrboos (in other threads aswell) here is some stats from Dr Stuart Jeanne Bramhall ''In all, 800,000 German POWS died in French and US POW camps after the war ended the armistice. This contrasts with German treatment of Allied POWs, which followed the Geneva Convention 99% of the time.''
2.In the "Biscari massacre", which consisted of two instances of mass murder, U.S. troops of the 45th Infantry Division killed roughly 75 prisoners of war, mostly Italian
3.Near the French village of Audouville-la-Hubert, 30 German Wehrmacht prisoners were massacred by U.S. paratroopers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes#World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/10/19/british-and-american-war-crimes-during-world-war-ii/
both sides committed war crimes not just specific units or divisions
And i would like to see other divisions as well allied and German side.
If you disagree with a statement its cool but do not try and shame people about there opinions.
2.In the "Biscari massacre", which consisted of two instances of mass murder, U.S. troops of the 45th Infantry Division killed roughly 75 prisoners of war, mostly Italian
3.Near the French village of Audouville-la-Hubert, 30 German Wehrmacht prisoners were massacred by U.S. paratroopers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes#World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/10/19/british-and-american-war-crimes-during-world-war-ii/
both sides committed war crimes not just specific units or divisions
And i would like to see other divisions as well allied and German side.
If you disagree with a statement its cool but do not try and shame people about there opinions.
We could open a can of worms if we mention the incendiary bombing of civilian areas or the use of the nuclear bomb but we don't do that, do we...?
Ohh god,... please, not the Rheinwiesenlager-Myth...
@fightinheckfish: And you thought, I am a Wehraboo...
1. No actual historian believes in the 800,000 killed post war. In a nutshell it's based upon "disappeared" German forces that are largely accounted for by Volkstrum or similar forces that were carried on German books, but simply disarmed and dismissed vs being held for any length of time.
2. I like you've dug up two POW killings that don't quite equal one of the mass killings of US personnel alone. Perhaps you'd like to take a stand for some of the camp guards who got shot out of hand to better pad your numbers?
2. I like you've dug up two POW killings that don't quite equal one of the mass killings of US personnel alone. Perhaps you'd like to take a stand for some of the camp guards who got shot out of hand to better pad your numbers?
No man, you are not that. You believe that 20.000 men of the LSSAH all died at the same time in a huge explosion and then they got restocked by some kids and a bunch of old people.
Well, I don't know about you guys, but I for one think this game needs even more Nazis. We gotta at least keep pace with the numbers on the forum.
I'd like it if they included some of the comically poorly armed or trained SS units just for the tears it'd generate when they were impossible to win with.
Re Thonar:
I draw a line between werbs and Nazis. Werbs are low grade Internet silliness. They're wrong but eh, low grade/mild wrongness.
Nazis should find a ditch to die in.
Hell yeah, except that it were several explosion, sometimes just bullets, shrinking the Division to a mere of 1000 men... I think it was called the "Tscherkassy-Pocket", where it happened.
Funnily enough: Not even all of these men and officers were allowed to be in the "new" LSSAH that was "refreshed" in Belgium.
So much to "Elite".
I'm sure those new guys did enough pushups and jumping jacks to get to fully trained and Hitler set them to 'elite' priority.
Well, till now, nobody is asking for this to be in he game... The bombings of german civilians and the use of the nuclear bombs above japanese cities was unneccesary and is, as any kind of violence against civilians to be morally rejected.
But this fact doesn't make the proposed SS- Divisions in any kind better. Regarding what they did at for example Oradour Sur Glane, it is no wonder a french developer doesn't take them into account, especially when we consider, how symbolic this massacre is and how it strained the franco- german relationship for a long time.
just link me some of your sources would gladly check it out for both quotes
Start here under Criticism:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Losses
Also try just reading the article on the Rheinwiesenlager themselves. It's commonly accepted it was not fun times for anyone but the accepted death totals are 3000 (US estimate) to around 5000 (German estimate). It was also the result of the US expecting about 3 million POWs and dealing with 5 million instead, in addition to about 13 million German civilians in need of aid.
As to German POW killings try this one out:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre
Way to go Peiper.
Before Tscherkassy-Pocket: 01.01.1944
5330 Soldiers missing to max capacity of 25402 Soldiers.
After Tscherkassy-Pocket: 01.03.1944
8623 Soldiers missing to max capacity of 25446 soldiers.
Since you can read german I spare you the rest. Nice 1000 men myth.
Seriously though we need to lock this thread. It started off bad and it's only getting worse.
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