Haha I wouldn't know I'm English but I think it has something to do with German efficiency.
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Same in Norway, you can now acutally save your holiday from last year, so in a year you can have up to 10 weeks vacations + holidays.
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There's nothing inherently more efficient about Germans. For what it's worth, productivity is really high in the US, too. But, two points.
1. Germany is big on unions. Not so much in the US, anymore.
2. For many jobs, 8+ hours per day doesn't make much sense.
Personally, I can put in a good six or so hours of work on a given day. I get paid for eight, and I'm there for eight, but two of those hours are pretty much just wasted. My brain stops working after a while, you know? So, there's no reason to make me work forty hours when I'm only actually working thirty.
1. Germany is big on unions. Not so much in the US, anymore.
2. For many jobs, 8+ hours per day doesn't make much sense.
Personally, I can put in a good six or so hours of work on a given day. I get paid for eight, and I'm there for eight, but two of those hours are pretty much just wasted. My brain stops working after a while, you know? So, there's no reason to make me work forty hours when I'm only actually working thirty.
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Canada's labor market is heavily influenced by our southern neighbors and workers are getting screwed of reasonable rights as a result. Scandinavia and much of western Europe has a much more balanced approach to professional life, that favors more rights for labor and decent work conditions.
I am also in Canada but actually have decent conditions of my own too. But I'm the exception not the norm. Most people I know aren't even paid half of what they're worth and struggle to get just three measely weeks off a year.
Don't envy the Swedes. Demand the same they get. Lowest common denominator strategies will always leave us all wanting.
This being said.. might not be the right subforum for this. If we arent careful, they're going to force us to give 8 weeks vacation/yr to our armies in the next patch
I am also in Canada but actually have decent conditions of my own too. But I'm the exception not the norm. Most people I know aren't even paid half of what they're worth and struggle to get just three measely weeks off a year.
Don't envy the Swedes. Demand the same they get. Lowest common denominator strategies will always leave us all wanting.
This being said.. might not be the right subforum for this. If we arent careful, they're going to force us to give 8 weeks vacation/yr to our armies in the next patch
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Tell me about it in the UK I was working 40 hours a week, I do 60 in the US but do the same amount of work either way. Effectively I now waste 20 hours a week giving the appearance that I'm working as do many of the people around me. Pretty daft really.
Idle minds. Warm bodies. - Motto of Most Middle Management Across the U.S.A.
I won't even lie and say I am productive 6 hours of the day like Kwami. I spend 2-4 hours a day in meetings which on a good day accounts for about 10 minutes of useful information and political blabbing for the remainder of the time. So even if I'm tuned into the conversation (which is rare) that is already a waste of a minimum two hours per day. Between answering questions for passerbys and underlings, answering e-mails by upper management that are just full of buzzwords, taking 10 minute breaks to avoid suicidal tendencies, etc... I'd say I effectively get 2 hours of real work done per day. The days I am most productive are the days I work remotely and have the freedom to skip out of unwarranted meetings (yay companies under the pretense of Agile with the reality of Cascading -- not! Although, I'm not really a fan of Agile development either.). Yahoo! made a mistake by forcing their labor back into cubes.
I know it's not quite as bad for medium sized companies but I've worked for very large corporations the majority of my career.
In summary: Please accept my work VISA application, Sweden. Thank you.
I won't even lie and say I am productive 6 hours of the day like Kwami. I spend 2-4 hours a day in meetings which on a good day accounts for about 10 minutes of useful information and political blabbing for the remainder of the time. So even if I'm tuned into the conversation (which is rare) that is already a waste of a minimum two hours per day. Between answering questions for passerbys and underlings, answering e-mails by upper management that are just full of buzzwords, taking 10 minute breaks to avoid suicidal tendencies, etc... I'd say I effectively get 2 hours of real work done per day. The days I am most productive are the days I work remotely and have the freedom to skip out of unwarranted meetings (yay companies under the pretense of Agile with the reality of Cascading -- not! Although, I'm not really a fan of Agile development either.). Yahoo! made a mistake by forcing their labor back into cubes.
I know it's not quite as bad for medium sized companies but I've worked for very large corporations the majority of my career.
In summary: Please accept my work VISA application, Sweden. Thank you.
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What are/is agile and cascading? If this is business speak it's some of the worst I've come across!
Sorry, should have clarified I do software development and cascade/waterfall are interchangeable terms for a particular philosophy. The tired rant didn't lend to well defined structure and detail.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_software_development_philosophies
Haha thanks for the clarification. Being a scientist my buzzwords don't often find a place on forums!
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Well if we're comparing vacation benefits here.
I live in the USA. I don't think I've ever had a job that's given me any sort of "vacation". Currently I'm doing "seasonal" work at food processing plant. I can theoretically request days off, although, I haven't yet, but I plan to put in a request to see a band play in September. I have however gotten into trouble in the past for calling in sick too much (I've had a lot of trouble with major depressive disorder since junior/senior year of highschool. Going on 10+ years now, and it has impacted every single job I've had up to this point in a tremendously negative manner.) This week I expect I'll get Sunday off (they try to give us Sundays off if they can since it's automatic overtime if not.) Sometimes we work 7 days a week, some weeks we don't work at all, it just depends how much product they have to run I guess. Unfortunately there's little rhyme or reason to it so you can't really plan things around work in advance (unless you just plan on working). I recently just completed an undergrad degree in history with a Spanish minor, so I'm hoping I can at least land a job somewhere behind a desk at some point in the future, and with that some vacation days.
Reality is though, I really couldn't afford to take more days off, even if it was an option. This month I'm 2 weeks late with the rent since last month we didn't work for an entire week (therefore no pay day) and being one week late meant that this weeks check had to go to a more immediate priority: car insurance. As obviously (or maybe not so obvious to you Europeans and your lovely public transport systems) no car means no work.
I'm really just counting on a bit of luck to find something better than the minimum wage bs I've been bouncing around for the last decade or so, since my student loan payments start becoming an unavoidable thing in December. After all, the only way out of those is death right? I guess that would be where my penchant for depressive behavior comes in handy. Personally, I have no problem screwing over the holders of capital in my society. I'd just be returning the favor.
I live in the USA. I don't think I've ever had a job that's given me any sort of "vacation". Currently I'm doing "seasonal" work at food processing plant. I can theoretically request days off, although, I haven't yet, but I plan to put in a request to see a band play in September. I have however gotten into trouble in the past for calling in sick too much (I've had a lot of trouble with major depressive disorder since junior/senior year of highschool. Going on 10+ years now, and it has impacted every single job I've had up to this point in a tremendously negative manner.) This week I expect I'll get Sunday off (they try to give us Sundays off if they can since it's automatic overtime if not.) Sometimes we work 7 days a week, some weeks we don't work at all, it just depends how much product they have to run I guess. Unfortunately there's little rhyme or reason to it so you can't really plan things around work in advance (unless you just plan on working). I recently just completed an undergrad degree in history with a Spanish minor, so I'm hoping I can at least land a job somewhere behind a desk at some point in the future, and with that some vacation days.
Reality is though, I really couldn't afford to take more days off, even if it was an option. This month I'm 2 weeks late with the rent since last month we didn't work for an entire week (therefore no pay day) and being one week late meant that this weeks check had to go to a more immediate priority: car insurance. As obviously (or maybe not so obvious to you Europeans and your lovely public transport systems) no car means no work.
I'm really just counting on a bit of luck to find something better than the minimum wage bs I've been bouncing around for the last decade or so, since my student loan payments start becoming an unavoidable thing in December. After all, the only way out of those is death right? I guess that would be where my penchant for depressive behavior comes in handy. Personally, I have no problem screwing over the holders of capital in my society. I'd just be returning the favor.
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Summer is not a season in Scandinavia. We just go straight from spring to autumn.
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Yeah, but that's all just nonsense.
http://programming-motherfucker.com/
Well if we're comparing vacation benefits here.
I'm really just counting on a bit of luck to find something better than the minimum wage bs I've been bouncing around for the last decade or so, since my student loan payments start becoming an unavoidable thing in December. After all, the only way out of those is death right? I guess that would be where my penchant for depressive behavior comes in handy. Personally, I have no problem screwing over the holders of capital in my society. I'd just be returning the favor.
You went to college, but then took minimum wage jobs? That's not very good planning!
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What? We barely have winters even in västerbotten any more. What are you weak southerners complaining about?
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38-40 hour per weak is normal in germany. The law forced minimum vaccation is 24 days (means effectivly 5 weeks cause you only count the days you normally work and not the weekend). You get normally paid. In most cases we take 2 or 3 weeks ins summer for holidays and the other days for birthdays or some events.
Something thats really weird about the USA is still the disagreement about the health insurance system. How can the biggest "westernized" nations still have such problems in simply integrate a health insurance for all people?
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Haha! That is epic. How could I not know this site existed?
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Or just get better jobs?
Doesn't work in the US. The upper management gets paid more, but paid vacation days on the level of German factory workers are rare.
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