Just for Czech its a waste of resources absolutle powerfull for doing it on poland france and especially Russia. You can also do them later no need to rush it in the early game then so you dont ruin you civ buildup.
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1.9 German Economy Benchmark Thread
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Germany Run V2
Germany Run V2
As suggested by @Gefallener_Held I will do another focus order. Doing economic earlier and delaying tank production.
Pros of this run:
1) National focus tree:
(green) = Focus that boosts economy
(red) = other essential focus
2) Political Power use:
(green) = Advisor or Law that boosts economy
(red) = other essential law or Advisor
Spare PP for other things on 1.6.1939 will be around 900
3) Construction (Building factories & Co):
4) Research:
Rush priority: (Always research these when available [and not insane ahead of time, e.g. > 2 years])
5) Operations:
No Agency
Results:
01.06.1939
Owned CIVs = 95
MILs = 124
Docks = 15
REFs = 12
Collaborations = 0
Benchmark = 2.188.800
As suggested by @Gefallener_Held I will do another focus order. Doing economic earlier and delaying tank production.
Pros of this run:
- Sligtly better economy in the end, but not a big difference
- No agency. Only done to have less to click. Agency + collaboration missions are always worth it.
- You get the Medium2 a lot later than in the Germany Run V1. And you don't have a bonus for Medium3
- You are a lot later with land doctrines than in the Germany Run V1
1) National focus tree:
(green) = Focus that boosts economy
(red) = other essential focus
- Rheinland (PP to get PP guys to switch trade law and Advisors)
- Four Year Plan (2x research bonus + Advisor Schacht)
- Autarky (10% contruction for CIV, MIL and Dock)
- Hermann Göring-Werke (6x CIV)
- KdF-Wagen (6x CIV)
- Extra Research Slot
- Reichsautobahn (4x 100% Infra)
- Army Innovations (2x land doctrine research +100%)
- Treaty with the USSR (Tank research bonuses)
- German War Economy (6x MIL)
- Anschluss (All MILs and CIVs from Austria)
- Reassert Eastern Claims (All MILs and CIVs from Memel)
- Demand Sudetenland (All MILs and CIVs from Sudenteland)
- First Vienna Award (Leads to next)
- Fate of Czechoslovakia (Some MILs and CIVs from Czechoslovakia or a Puppet)
- Naval Rearmament + Naval Effort (35days each) (5 Docks)
- Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (Non agression with SOV)
2) Political Power use:
(green) = Advisor or Law that boosts economy
(red) = other essential law or Advisor
- Borman (PP)
- Hess (PP)
- Free Trade (+10% Construction speed, +9% research speed)
- Schacht (+10% CIV and Refinerys Construction speed)
- Krupp (+15% industry research speed)
- MAN Tank Designer (5% Soft Attack, 5% Reliability)
- Guderian (Doctrine research +10%)
- Improve Relations with Japan until Opinion +20
- Send Attache to Japan
- Messerschmidt Aircraft Designer (Agility +10%)
- Funk (after Refineries are built) (+10% MIL construction speed)
Spare PP for other things on 1.6.1939 will be around 900
3) Construction (Building factories & Co):
- CIVs until 75
- Then 12 Refineries in Franken, Thüringen, Hannover, Brandenburg
- Then MILs.
4) Research:
Rush priority: (Always research these when available [and not insane ahead of time, e.g. > 2 years])
- Construction (+10% construction speed each)
- Dispersed / Concentrated Industry (Building Slots +20% each)
- Land Doctrine
- Medium Tank
- Electronics (Computing for research bonuses)
5) Operations:
No Agency
Results:
01.06.1939
Owned CIVs = 95
MILs = 124
Docks = 15
REFs = 12
Collaborations = 0
Benchmark = 2.188.800
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Result for the Germany Run V2 described in #22:
01.06.1939
Owned CIVs = 95
MILs = 124
Docks = 15
REFs = 12
Collaborations = 0
Benchmark = 2.188.800
I puppeted Slovakia and I didn't do agency this time.
Compared to Germany Run V1 also without agency and also puppeting SLO its:
-7 CIVs
+5 MILs
Maybe I stopped building CIVs too early, but anyway the result is not much better than in the run V1
I'm glad about that, because in this run I was quite late with Tank and Land Doctrines. Seems that sacrifying this is not worth it.
I think the reason for it is, that if you delay "4 year plan" you can use the rearch bonuses it gives on construction3 and industry3.
That gives you earlier the +10% and that seems to even out the early bonuses.
Anyway I need a new run, because I still miss the Army Innovations II for the Bonus for Panther (Medium3 Tank)
Conclusions so far:
01.06.1939
Owned CIVs = 95
MILs = 124
Docks = 15
REFs = 12
Collaborations = 0
Benchmark = 2.188.800
I puppeted Slovakia and I didn't do agency this time.
Compared to Germany Run V1 also without agency and also puppeting SLO its:
-7 CIVs
+5 MILs
Maybe I stopped building CIVs too early, but anyway the result is not much better than in the run V1
I'm glad about that, because in this run I was quite late with Tank and Land Doctrines. Seems that sacrifying this is not worth it.
I think the reason for it is, that if you delay "4 year plan" you can use the rearch bonuses it gives on construction3 and industry3.
That gives you earlier the +10% and that seems to even out the early bonuses.
Anyway I need a new run, because I still miss the Army Innovations II for the Bonus for Panther (Medium3 Tank)
Conclusions so far:
- Agency and Collaboration Missions are worth it
- Puppeting Slovakia is worth it because of the compliance bonus the decision gives
- Rushing Tanks (Army Innovation, Treaty with the USSR) is a not a lot worse in terms of economy
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Is it worthwhile to build up Infra for the build speed modifier? Or are you better served just spamming Civ the first 2 years?
I was able to top it.
142 Civs
90 Mils
15 Docks
2 Fuel Silos
2.287.600
Puppet Slovakia
done 1 colaboration on Poland so far, next one will be on france.
But did some mistakes need to do it once again when its not middle of the night and do some micro ;-)
142 Civs
90 Mils
15 Docks
2 Fuel Silos
2.287.600
Puppet Slovakia
done 1 colaboration on Poland so far, next one will be on france.
But did some mistakes need to do it once again when its not middle of the night and do some micro ;-)
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I moved my answer to a seperate thread:
Is it worthwhile to build up Infrastructure for the build speed modifier?
(This is from another thread, but I think it should have it's own.) Short answer: No. Long answer: The building speed for construction of industry like CIVs, MILs, Docks or Refineries (not Infrastructure itself) is calculated as: Building...
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Got one for you be prepared ;-)
151 Civs
91 Mils
15 Docks
2 Full Silos
Makes it up to 2.392.000 IC in total.
I did just start the colaboration, as from 01.06. its 90 days till war starts on 01.09.1939 so no need to hurry ;-)
Save Game attached
I did cripple my airforce a little ~1000 planes less then normal but more ground forces as i did shift production a little to not need imports so many as usual also did a faster Anschluß in january 37.
I could have even breaken 2.4 mil if i would have continued building in the hight infra states after i got the 39 tech for next level of available building slots but i did leave them open for later building synth there.
151 Civs
91 Mils
15 Docks
2 Full Silos
Makes it up to 2.392.000 IC in total.
I did just start the colaboration, as from 01.06. its 90 days till war starts on 01.09.1939 so no need to hurry ;-)
Save Game attached
I did cripple my airforce a little ~1000 planes less then normal but more ground forces as i did shift production a little to not need imports so many as usual also did a faster Anschluß in january 37.
I could have even breaken 2.4 mil if i would have continued building in the hight infra states after i got the 39 tech for next level of available building slots but i did leave them open for later building synth there.
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Wait what infra has an effect on buliding industry? How much per infra level?
10% per level, just hover over in the building screen it tells you.
But its not straigth 10% Formular is complex.
But its not straigth 10% Formular is complex.
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So at 10 infra it´s 100% before further modifiers? So that´s why there are those infra national focuses...
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I moved my answer to a seperate thread:
Is it worthwhile to build up Infrastructure for the build speed modifier?
(This is from another thread, but I think it should have it's own.) Short answer: No. Long answer: The building speed for construction of industry like CIVs, MILs, Docks or Refineries (not Infrastructure itself) is calculated as: Building...
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Germany Run V3 - MEME
Germany Run V3 - MEME
A run only focused on economy an putting everthing behind that goal. I would not use this in a real game, therefore I call it "Meme". I did it to try what is possible.
Pros of this run:
1) National focus tree:
(green) = Focus that boosts economy
(red) = other essential focus
2) Political Power use:
(green) = Advisor or Law that boosts economy
(red) = other essential law or Advisor
3) Construction (Building factories & Co):
Rush priority: (Always research these when available [and not insane ahead of time, e.g. > 2 years])
5) Operations:
No Agency
Results:
01.06.1939:
Owned CIVs = 123
MILs = 114
Docks = 17
REFs = 12
Collaborations = 0
Benchmark = 2.432.000
A run only focused on economy an putting everthing behind that goal. I would not use this in a real game, therefore I call it "Meme". I did it to try what is possible.
Pros of this run:
- Best economy
- Early war economy possible because of early Anschluss
- Construction 3 researched in October 1937
- No agency. Only done to have less to click. Agency + collaboration missions are always worth it.
- World Tension high early on, because of rushed Anschluss. That means you enemys are stronger.
- Really bad research
- A lot less PP
1) National focus tree:
(green) = Focus that boosts economy
(red) = other essential focus
- Rheinland (PP to get PP guys to switch trade law and Advisors)
- Anschluss (All MILs and CIVs from Austria)
- Demand Sudetenland (All MILs and CIVs from Sudenteland)
- First Vienna Award (Leads to next)
- Fate of Czechoslovakia (Some MILs and CIVs from Czechoslovakia or a Puppet)
- Four Year Plan (2x research bonus + Advisor Schacht)
- Autarky (10% contruction for CIV, MIL and Dock)
- Hermann Göring-Werke (6x CIV)
- KdF-Wagen (6x CIV)
- Reichsautobahn (4x 100% Infra)
- Reassert Eastern Claims (All MILs and CIVs from Memel)
- German War Economy (6x MIL)
- Naval Rearmament + Naval Effort (35days each) (5 Docks)
- Extra Research Slot
- Army Innovations (2x land doctrine research +100%)
- Treaty with the USSR (Tank research bonuses)
- Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (Non agression with SOV)
2) Political Power use:
(green) = Advisor or Law that boosts economy
(red) = other essential law or Advisor
- Free Trade (+10% Construction speed, +9% research speed)
- War economy (-5% consumer goods)
- Krupp (+15% industry research speed)
- Borman (PP)
- Hess (PP)
- Funk (+10% MIL construction speed)
- Guderian (Doctrine research +10%)
- MAN Tank Designer (5% Soft Attack, 5% Reliability)
- Improve Relations with Japan until Opinion +20
- Send Attache to Japan
- Messerschmidt Aircraft Designer (Agility +10%)
3) Construction (Building factories & Co):
- CIVs until 120
- Then 12 Refineries in Franken, Thüringen, Hannover, Brandenburg
- Then MILs
Rush priority: (Always research these when available [and not insane ahead of time, e.g. > 2 years])
- Construction (+10% construction speed each)
- Dispersed / Concentrated Industry (Building Slots +20% each)
- Electronics (Computing for research bonuses)
- Land Doctrine
- Medium Tank
5) Operations:
No Agency
Results:
01.06.1939:
Owned CIVs = 123
MILs = 114
Docks = 17
REFs = 12
Collaborations = 0
Benchmark = 2.432.000
Nice one!
Do you do the national focus order and advisors / laws similar to one of my runs (v1,v2,v3) or do have another approach?
Its diffrent, construction 3 is finished in juli 37 for example.
Rheinland
4 year plan
Autarky
Hermann Göring
Kdf
Anschluss
Reichsautobahn
I am overbuilding civs, need to do less and earlier czech did it too late end of 38.
Thing is they help me later as i have nearly 30 civs more then you, so nearly 2 complete additional building lines. If we would compare on 01.09. The result would be more in my favour but i will change the build a little and beat you again ;-)
Rheinland
4 year plan
Autarky
Hermann Göring
Kdf
Anschluss
Reichsautobahn
I am overbuilding civs, need to do less and earlier czech did it too late end of 38.
Thing is they help me later as i have nearly 30 civs more then you, so nearly 2 complete additional building lines. If we would compare on 01.09. The result would be more in my favour but i will change the build a little and beat you again ;-)
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140 civs
25 docks
3 synth
3 fuel silos
89 mic
Total 2.436.100 and still room for more ;-) 2 synth in prooduction that would finish in the next 15 days... should have builded mic there would have been faster ;-)
And i did start first colaboration on poland in april 39 so 13 civs doing something else for 45 days or so...
25 docks
3 synth
3 fuel silos
89 mic
Total 2.436.100 and still room for more ;-) 2 synth in prooduction that would finish in the next 15 days... should have builded mic there would have been faster ;-)
And i did start first colaboration on poland in april 39 so 13 civs doing something else for 45 days or so...
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Using both research bonuses from 4 year plan and bosting research time and buildibg up the 30 days research you can save up and boosting it to the techs. Its a little play around juggling with research slots.
You can see something similiar here where i play around with research slots in the beginning.:
*facepalm*
I used only 1 Bonus on construction and the other on industry.
Seems I also have Room for more
Interesting thread.
I would add in the score calculation the amount of equipment producted. That should give more accuracy to your evaluation and avoid build only focused around economy but unplayable in any MP game.
Just set from the start all MIL to produce infantry weapons and add the number of infantry weapons produced * their IC cost to the formula.
I would add in the score calculation the amount of equipment producted. That should give more accuracy to your evaluation and avoid build only focused around economy but unplayable in any MP game.
Just set from the start all MIL to produce infantry weapons and add the number of infantry weapons produced * their IC cost to the formula.
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