[1.9.2] As Germany, how to get Italy to join the Axis?

[Monkbel]

I am playing a historical game on 1.9.2. I already attacked Poland via Danzig or War. Italy is still not in Axis. I did "Alliance with Italy" and Italy still doesn't join Axis (when I hover over the Invite to Faction button, it has "The German Reich has strategic reasons to reject").

What's the way to get Italy to join Axis? And how to do it the cheapest and the fastest? Is "Alliance with Italy" critical focus? Is "Second Vienna Award" necessary?

Thanks!

 

[fallgelb22061940]

They always join if they did Pact of Steel, they then want to join

 

[Monkbel]

I tagged to ITA to check, and they did Pact of Steel some time ago. Still, I am not able to click "invite to faction" as a Germany. This is Nov 1939, after Poland capitulated to me, when I am already in a war with Allies, with historical foci on.

 

[sekelsenmat]

Italy only wants to join the Axis after some date in early 1940, which is historical and prevents it from being defeated by France or something in 39.

 

[Monkbel]

Italy only wants to join the Axis after some date in early 1940, which is historical and prevents it from being defeated by France or something in 39.

interesting, do you know where and how this is coded?

 

[Gyrvendal]

Italy is more or less hardcoded to only join either after a certain date, or if France is about to fall/already fallen. This is a very good thing, because if they join earlier they will instantly lose their fleets to the combined UK + french fleets and lose everything in Africa due to fighting on two fronts.
As Germany, you don't need to do anything, and it's actually in your interest to let them join at the historical date for the reasons above.

 

[Gefallener_Held]

I am playing a historical game on 1.9.2. I already attacked Poland via Danzig or War. Italy is still not in Axis. I did "Alliance with Italy" and Italy still doesn't join Axis (when I hover over the Invite to Faction button, it has "The German Reich has strategic reasons to reject").

What's the way to get Italy to join Axis? And how to do it the cheapest and the fastest? Is "Alliance with Italy" critical focus? Is "Second Vienna Award" necessary?

Thanks!

Alliance with Italy is a waste of national focus. I find Italy joins once Fall Gelb is underway. I accept their alliance request when France is already on the ropes....

 

[Monkbel]

Thank you all!

 

[Simon_9732495]

Italy is more or less hardcoded to only join either after a certain date, or if France is about to fall/already fallen.

I'm not sure if this is correct.


Italy 13.06.1939:

Italy 14.06.1939: (at the moment when I complete Danzig or war)

Italy Pursues Closer Bonds With Germany is this Event:

News events 2 - Hearts of Iron 4 Wiki

hoi4.paradoxwikis.com

The Event indicates that Italy finished the focus "Pact of Steel" in this moment.

Italian national focus tree - Hearts of Iron 4 Wiki

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Italy also asks to join my faction a moment later.

It seems that the "Pact of Steel" focus increases "Italy has strategic reasons to ally the German Reich" from 4 to 100, making them wanting to join my faction.

So it seems it's not hardcoded, but a focus that Italy takes on historical.


(Just tested: It has nothing to to with Danzig or war. Italy wants to join mw on the 14th even if I cancel Danzig or war.)

Question still: Did Italy not take Pact of Steel in the game of the Threadstarter, and if yes, why?

 

[mikwarleo]

I can't say with certainty re 1.9.2 but I always play Germany and never accept Italy into my faction. However, they always offer to join before that start of the war. In 1.9.2 and I don't remember exactly if this happened in the same way but I think it did.

I suggest you run a test game, do nothing accept the political stuff with speed at max. This way it won't take you too long to see if things go differently. On most things the game does randomise to some extent. For example, after occupy Rhineland there's a small chance France will actually attack and start the war in 1936.

 

[Hoi Neuling]

Yep Italy is joining 1940. If they wanna join earlyer, they say it to you, not you to them. Same with Hungary, Rumania, Bulgaria and Japan as your Main-Partners.

 

[Simon_9732495]

Yep Italy is joining 1940.

What has to happen that they don't take "Pact of Steel" until 1940?

 

[Hoi Neuling]

Only 2 things:

1. Play unhistorically, but that´s a very very bad Idea.

2. Reject the Pact, which is a very very bad Idea too.

 

[Simon_9732495]

People here in the thread are reporting, that Italy doesn't ask to join and doesn't want to join in 1939.

It seems for me, that if Italy takes the focus "Pact of Steel" it will ask to join Germany.
So it seems to happen, that on historical, Italy doesn't take "Pact of Steel" or takes it late. Has anybody a explanation for this?

What's more Posting #4 and #6 seem to be wrong. Can anyone confirm that they are wrong?

#4:

Italy only wants to join the Axis after some date in early 1940, which is historical and prevents it from being defeated by France or something in 39.

#6:

Italy is more or less hardcoded to only join either after a certain date, or if France is about to fall/already fallen. This is a very good thing, because if they join earlier they will instantly lose their fleets to the combined UK + french fleets and lose everything in Africa due to fighting on two fronts.
As Germany, you don't need to do anything, and it's actually in your interest to let them join at the historical date for the reasons above.

 

[Hoi Neuling]

That´s problems which aren´t solved from the Devs yet. To get an more correctly historical Gameplay I use the Modification Historical National Focus Dates. That solves the Problem with Italy in that and an other case too, like many other Focuses.

 

[kettyo]

Expert AI mod prevents Italy early joining Axis. Maybe some people play with that and think it's base game behaviour.

 

[Black_Shade]

Italy Pursues Closer Bonds With Germany is this Event:

News events 2 - Hearts of Iron 4 Wiki

hoi4.paradoxwikis.com

The Event indicates that Italy finished the focus "Pact of Steel" in this moment.

Italian national focus tree - Hearts of Iron 4 Wiki

hoi4.paradoxwikis.com

Italy also asks to join my faction a moment later.

It seems that the "Pact of Steel" focus increases "Italy has strategic reasons to ally the German Reich" from 4 to 100, making them wanting to join my faction.

So it seems it's not hardcoded, but a focus that Italy takes on historical.


(Just tested: It has nothing to to with Danzig or war. Italy wants to join mw on the 14th even if I cancel Danzig or war.)

Question still: Did Italy not take Pact of Steel in the game of the Threadstarter, and if yes, why?

Yep, this is it. It's pact of steel that causes Italy to join the Axis.

 

[Hoi Neuling]

The Pact of Steel is done from and with Italia, but they fight first Mid 1940 (Mai or so) when Germany Attacks France from North. That´s what I mean with joining, because Italy said that they need Time to get fully equiped, which won´t be done up to 1942.

That´s a change from the Devs for the Game, because if Italy overrun France first, you won´t get Northern France as Germany. And you haven´t the Choise for Operation "Anton" later to get the French Fleet or a Part of it.

 

[Simon_9732495]

The Pact of Steel is done from and with Italia, but they fight first Mid 1940 (Mai or so) when Germany Attacks France from North. That´s what I mean with joining,

The question was:

What's the way to get Italy to join Axis? ​

Your answer:

Yep Italy is joining 1940.​

If you mean "joining the war" you should add this to your answer, otherwise you might confuse the User that asks. (Or other readers like me.) Joining a war is a differnent mechanic, than joining a faction.

 

[Hoi Neuling]

OK my Fault. Let´s make a Summarize:

Pact of Steal: 1939
Sending Volunteers: sometimes 1939 for Poland and such to get Experiance (about 2 Devisions)
Joining the War: about Mai 1940, after Germany makes War to France (Attacking the South Side, while Germany comes from the Benelux-Front and Marginot-Line-Front)

The Second is an Option, which Italy uses in the Game. In History Italy did nothing until Mid 1940 when Germany attacked France. And Mussulini said to the German
chancellor that Italy needs time to get fully Equiped, which will be needed 2 more years. But not to get as a lyer and endanger the Pact, Mussulini joined 1,5 years earlyer, which accelerated Italys Doom considerably.

Means in the Game, that you as Germany have to help Italy in the Dessert and on other Italys Fronts with about 30% of your Army and Airforce thereafter.


I hope the Question is answerd with that Infos, because like said already the Devs changed here much that Germany will get Northern France and France split in Vichy-France and Free France correctly. But that´s atm only an interim solution, because Italy have to be reworked in Focuses and such.