1.8 WC ideas

[Cossack_PL]

I'm wondering about trying a WC in 1.8. They added many provinces, but most of them being outside of Europe means that you can still protectorate + CN the world (that also means that Ottomans are no longer the best choice). Also AE scaling to base tax and coalitions breaking when in truce may help.
What are your thoughts? Back in 1.7 I planned to try Austria->Italy to pass HRE reforms ASAP and gain as many PUs from missions as possible and then benefit from Italian core cost reduction and BROT bonus.

 

[Happy Chappy]

I'm fairly sure I remember reading that 1.8 was supposed to make WC pretty much impossible, so good luck to you! Though, I'd probably assume France is still among the best candidates, by virtue of being the Big Blue Blob

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

I'm fairly sure I remember reading that 1.8 was supposed to make WC pretty much impossible, so good luck to you! Though, I'd probably assume France is still among the best candidates, by virtue of being the Big Blue Blob

I seriously doubt it's impossible for countries like France or Austria or the Ottomans.

 

[Ranjid]

I seriously doubt it's impossible for countries like France or Austria or the Ottomans.

Well, it could be quite hard, because everyone and their mother westernizes now. I saw a westernized Qing in my last game.

 

[yyrkroon]

But you can also feed vassals incredibly cheaply, since you can assign them province control in war then give them directly. Negating the need for cores or for take and give.

It also appears that Marches will continue to generate claims. My Brandenburg march developed claims on the entirety of Denmark, which gave me a 'free' CB.

Paradox giveth, and taketh away...

 

[Florryworry]

World Conquest is harder/impossible, World domination is easier than it has ever been. You only need the latter to get the achievement.
Though it does mean you have to westernize as Ryuku ASAP if you want the 3 mountains I guess

 

[CzechKronner]

World Conquest has never been easier IMHO. I've done it a long time ago, but may go for it again just for kicks.

 

[Florryworry]

Yah, No, hostile core creation cost has been applied to diplo annex aswell, so poland/lithuania north africa, those are all crap. Then theres 900 extra provinces without BT redistribution so you simply won't have the points to annex everything.
World domination has never been easier cuz u can vassal/marchfeed everything, just protectorate the rest and presto.

 

[Vordeo]

The main issues are going to be:

1. Increased number of provinces - Only really applicable to Muslim and Eastern tech countries, but still.
2. More countries westernizing - Haven't seen it myself, but if countries are westernizing more that can add decades to the WC time.
3. New rebel system - Think people are still in the process of figuring this out, but this changes everything, especially as you can't just accept demands and (IMO) rebel scaling is broken atm.
4. New diplo annexation system - Not sure about this, but I don't think it'll be possible to keep up the rolling annexations you generally need to do with the new system. Adding stuff to the HRE and annexing everything in one go seems the best bet.

The major new tool 1.8 has given us for this is client states. In theory, that helps you avoid having to core a lot of provinces. Haven't tried it out in practice.

I think it's doable, but it'll probably take a bit for everyone to figure out all the new changes.

 

[Miravlix]

Another challenge in WC, is that each Protectorate gives -10 to other protectorates... 10 protectorates is -100, so after a while, only conquered protectorates is possible.

 

[durvas]

World conquest (not just domination) is definitely still possible and would be best with the Ottomans and Austria. You could also get one tag with other strong contenders like France if you get a bit lucky and just do a mass war at the end. The groups to use are pretty close to what you would use in 1.7, though in a bit different order. Early priorities are bringing diplo-annexation up to viability, rebels, and dealing with low autonomy since your government type doesn't automatically reduce it yet. With the Ottomans, there's a couple ways to avoid having to get Religious ideas entirely and still get good missionary strength, tolerance to true faith, and some stab reduction. Finally, although Expansion still has the great CB, many changes have hurt the group's value and it's not a must have anymore, especially if you need to shut down the colonizers early.

For a real WC without any new exploits known yet, I would go with:

Ottomans
Humanist
Influence
Diplomatic
Administrative
Exploration
Aristocratic
Quantity
None - Offensive/Quality/Defensive have policies that you would want but you're better off building Mil buildings due to the large amount of high LA land you would have by now


Austria
Influence
Diplomatic
Religious
Administrative
Exploration
Humanist
Aristocratic
Quantity - 50% manpower bonus then into mil buildings

 

[sermaciej]

Another challenge in WC, is that each Protectorate gives -10 to other protectorates... 10 protectorates is -100, so after a while, only conquered protectorates is possible.

But that was before 1.8 too?