1.8 Poland join hre?

[tyler45455]

I've tryed using the old method of improving relations with Austria then selling provinces to vassal but still can't get into hre. As a side note annexing your vassal after selling them the provinces takes forever. Is there a 1.8 strategy to getting into the hre beside attacking someone in the hre and moving capital?

 

[Giffica]

I've tryed using the old method of improving relations with Austria then selling provinces to vassal but still can't get into hre. As a side note annexing your vassal after selling them the provinces takes forever. Is there a 1.8 strategy to getting into the hre beside attacking someone in the hre and moving capital?

How would moving capital make a difference? You can't move your capital into the HRE?

 

[Phaex]

Culture shift to Germanic still works. Or at least it did as Denmark using Danzig.

 

[sermaciej]

Don't sell to vassals! Half of their income counts into your BT. You have to sell everything but Krakow to Lithuania (of course after PU is formed).

 

[tyler45455]

How would moving capital make a difference? You can't move your capital into the HRE?

If you attack a member of the hre and take land from them would it not stay part of the hre?

 

[tyler45455]

Don't sell to vassals! Half of their income counts into your BT. You have to sell everything but Krakow to Lithuania (of course after PU is formed).

So basically become a opm by selling everything to an pu'ed Lithuania?

 

[sermaciej]

So basically become a opm by selling everything to an pu'ed Lithuania?

Yep. Then use mission to conquer Chelmno and other TO stuff and you're not OPM anymore.

 

[Qoff]

Maybe if you sell your provinces to your vassals and turn Mazovia into a march as well you'll be able to do it, but I'm not sure.

 

[Incompetent]

Culture shift to Germanic still works. Or at least it did as Denmark using Danzig.

For Poland, this has the added advantage of bypassing all the bad events related to the Sejm and the elective monarchy. Prussian Poland is best Poland.

 

[chameloid]

If you attack a member of the hre and take land from them would it not stay part of the hre?

The provinces will stay part of the HRE, yes. But the game will prevent you from moving your capital there manually.

You would have to get rid of all of your territory except your isolated capital and an HRE province, then lose your capital in a war. Only then will the game automatically move your capital to your remaining HRE province, and thus you become a prince of the Empire.

 

[Beagá]

For Poland, this has the added advantage of bypassing all the bad events related to the Sejm and the elective monarchy. Prussian Poland is best Poland.

And gamey as hell.

 

[chrnno]

Basically three general strategies.

Change culture to Prussian(will require some selling of provinces), sell provinces(also a good idea to calculate it so you can sell only necessary while the rest goes to vassal ready to start annexation) to Lithuania after you get PU or change your government so that selling provinces to vassals works on it's own(have to do it before PU with Lithuania as that changes your gvt).

 

[Santoes]

Keep only Poznan, Kalisz, Leczyca, and Krakow. This would leave you with about 27 base tax to be able to join the HRE, except your vassal brings you over the limit. Make your vassal into a march and now you can join the HRE, get your PU, war TO, and prepare to annex.

It'll cost you a stab hit to turn that march back, but it's probably less than the dip points you spend.

 

[Seiska]

Just tested this. Conquered Danzig for myself and gave other provinces to mazovia. Moved capital to Danzig and sold Krakow to Mazovia and the rest to Lithuania and voila, joined the hre. This is actually pretty sweet.

 

[Santoes]

Just tested this. Conquered Danzig for myself and gave other provinces to mazovia. Moved capital to Danzig and sold Krakow to Mazovia and the rest to Lithuania and voila, joined the hre. This is actually pretty sweet.

I like my idea better

 

[Seiska]

Not sure why ? You're wasting another diplo slot for a march that is pretty useless while all I have to do, is wait for tech 10 and click a button to get my cores back for free and not have to deal with march vassal.

 

[Santoes]

Not sure why ? You're wasting another diplo slot for a march that is pretty useless while all I have to do, is wait for tech 10 and click a button to get my cores back for free and not have to deal with march vassal.

I'll break it down for you.

Autonomy
When you diplo annex a territory they will all have around 70 autonomy. That equals to little gain for advisors, buildings, and an army. My way on the other hand only gives a small portion of the territories away leaving 0% autonomy, and a fine enough economy to support 13 troops and 2 advisors.

Diplomacy Points
By giving away less territory my way spends less diplomacy points in annexing Moldavia after I take away the march status and spend a stability to do so. The stability hit cost is going to be less than the diplomacy cost by a good margin, so it is more efficient.

Culture Shift
My way can culture shift just as well as your way can. It does it slower, but seeing as there is no early advantage to rushing it, it doesn't matter. This will be possible because I will be holding onto Moldavia a little bit longer because of the march to vassal hit.

U=
University. I waste diplo slot, and you waste... Don't sell cap

 

[ChildeR]

And gamey as hell.

Unlike getting into HRE by other means?

 

[sermaciej]

Unlike getting into HRE by other means?

You're still polish Poland with elective monarchy and polish events when you join HRE in other way.

 

[ChildeR]

You're still polish Poland with elective monarchy and polish events when you join HRE in other way.

Sure, but you can't seriously argue that selling land to vassals or PUs to sneak in below the BT cap isn't gamey.