1.8 massive nerf to catholosism?
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Went reformed my current game. I think the difference is noticeable instantly, both protestantism and reformed have immediate bonuses that make them worth taking unless you already control the curia. fact is as catholic you have to suck up to the papal state all game and you have to save up for years to buy anything the PI even if you do (i had 7 cardinals and still only got to but 1 stab before the reform hit).
Reformed is actually really powerful I found out, normally I read the bonuses and forget about the switchable fevor bonuses, but a successful nation can have 1 bonus on all year round, and when one of those bonuses is -unrest that becomes hugely helpful for conquering empires, espesially with the tolerance of heathens stacking with humanist ideas you can conquer vast tracts of land and never get a rebel. Plus the diplo rep boost is good for back to back annexing vassals
Reformed is actually really powerful I found out, normally I read the bonuses and forget about the switchable fevor bonuses, but a successful nation can have 1 bonus on all year round, and when one of those bonuses is -unrest that becomes hugely helpful for conquering empires, espesially with the tolerance of heathens stacking with humanist ideas you can conquer vast tracts of land and never get a rebel. Plus the diplo rep boost is good for back to back annexing vassals
The morale bonus is also excellent. +15% land morale makes you fight like France.
+15% navy morale is often overlooked, but it's exactly the kind of navy bonus you need: activate it once, destroy your enemy's fleet forever.
He's talking about how converting provinces, with a missionary, says it gives +5 PI but currently gives you nothing.
Catholicism has good TTF, and staying Catholic can save you from having to convert a large number of provinces. Of course, if you're really blobbing (or going for a WC), you'll have to convert or go for tolerance either way, and with the Curia control being so random it's hard to motivate staying Catholic. Depending on the situation in the HRE, staying Catholic for a better chance at becoming/remaining emperor is a possibility.
The Curia is hard to balance. Before it was clearly overpowered, since once you reached critical mass you were virtually guaranteed control of it for the rest of the game, and those bonuses were, and are, extremely potent.
The Curia is hard to balance. Before it was clearly overpowered, since once you reached critical mass you were virtually guaranteed control of it for the rest of the game, and those bonuses were, and are, extremely potent.
For merchant republics it makes sense to stay catholic. +1 Mercantilism is a great way to buff your trade companies business.
Religious ideas allow you to get more PI. And you got plenty of provinces to conver to catholicism, so it's a good deal.
As for becoming the curia controller, it's a one big piece of lottery. The bonuses are insane, but i really don't like wasting PI just for a chance at becoming papal controller.
If you can stack some AE reduction bonuses, then the moment you control curia, you should play quite aggressively. Your AE will be much more manageable and the +2 advisors will
guarantee that you will get the BRoT Advisor to make AE decay faster.
Religious ideas allow you to get more PI. And you got plenty of provinces to conver to catholicism, so it's a good deal.
As for becoming the curia controller, it's a one big piece of lottery. The bonuses are insane, but i really don't like wasting PI just for a chance at becoming papal controller.
If you can stack some AE reduction bonuses, then the moment you control curia, you should play quite aggressively. Your AE will be much more manageable and the +2 advisors will
guarantee that you will get the BRoT Advisor to make AE decay faster.
if you stay catholic
and everybody starts converting you pretty much gain more and more cardinals
also buff relations with papal state and bam you can take free stability every 5 years
and everybody starts converting you pretty much gain more and more cardinals
also buff relations with papal state and bam you can take free stability every 5 years
Funny thing. The last time I played the Papal State Roma became a center of reformation twice.
In my last Hungary game i was allied to Papa from the beginning, and we both shared the Curia control for the most time. PI gain was insane.
I would highly recommend to vasslize them. The permanent +100% modifier on PI is just to good to not use.
Why go protestant when you can go reformed. They have by far the best bonus in the game religious wise.
Among Christians they are easily the best especially with the bonus fevor gain from religious ideas.
I think reformed, Hindu, and Shia are the best. Orthodox would be better if I could rely on it's events to fire more often.