The bonuses have to do with min-maxing things. Like one is to give you a point of stability, which naturally enables you to gain stability without sacrificing Admin points and thus has the long term effect of speeding up your technology research.
1.8 massive nerf to catholosism?
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The bonuses have to do with min-maxing things. Like one is to give you a point of stability, which naturally enables you to gain stability without sacrificing Admin points and thus has the long term effect of speeding up your technology research.
But that's exchanging influence for stability (or mercantilism, manpower, etc). Anyone can get that provided they got the influence, what about the curia controller bonuses? IIRC it's basically prestige more advisors and cheaper stability?
wiki is your friend when you want to something about this game 
http://www.eu4wiki.com/Papal_controller
Good stuff all around for controlling papal curia.
edit. I just realized the excommunicate penalties give negative to tolerance of the true faith, and reputation. That's pretty sick with some espionage.
http://www.eu4wiki.com/Papal_controllerGood stuff all around for controlling papal curia.
edit. I just realized the excommunicate penalties give negative to tolerance of the true faith, and reputation. That's pretty sick with some espionage.
Might just be you, it worked fine for me in my Poland game today, the pop-ups came and the influence also followed
In my Austria WC I never had 7 cardinals (or papal controller for that matter, despite throwing influence at every election), which is probably telling about the difficulty of consistently holding curia controller.
It is, however, a powerful modifier that has no other reliable way of being obtained. Take measures to maximize papal influence, and you can be buying a point every 8-10 years. That's over 10 mercantilism or over +20% province trade power per century. In particular, it makes trade companies and the Asian trade game absurd. Catholicism also has random events that give monarch points and prestige. I am practically spammed with prestige events at least.
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The change to Curia control was much needed, but I think they need to rebalance the cost of the one-off bonuses a bit. Most of them are far too expensive for what they do.
Also, the standard source of PI income that most countries get (cardinals) is swamped by huge bonuses from NIs and special decisions, so e.g. Spain will churn out much more PI than Austria almost regardless of their relative strength and success. Either make cardinals more important, or make other kinds of PI bonuses more diverse and widespread.
Also, the standard source of PI income that most countries get (cardinals) is swamped by huge bonuses from NIs and special decisions, so e.g. Spain will churn out much more PI than Austria almost regardless of their relative strength and success. Either make cardinals more important, or make other kinds of PI bonuses more diverse and widespread.
It's interesting in the case of Catholicism. Unless you're a Euro superpower or have +PI NIs, there's little incentive to stay in Catholicism, but that's not because it's necessarily bad compared to other faiths. It gets great conversion power from decisions, ties with Islam for #missionaries, has an extra +TTF bonus for anti-rebel that Protestant doesn't get and Reformed needs to spend fervor to beat, and with good PI income has bonuses that outstrip some of the other faiths. Not only that, Catholic nations despite its -heretic tolerance can actually use decisions to be tolerant as well.
When you compare Catholic to religions like Shinto, Confucian, Buddhist, pagan (they're all the same in function), Sikh, it's better. It's on par with Sunni and at least in 1.8 can match Orthodox due to the latter operating on a gimped PA event timer (which is getting changed, but so might PI). The only reason people think it's lackluster is that it has to compete with surefire bonuses from Reformed (which, with DLC, is top tier) or Protestant.
Even if you just dump your PI into stability and don't try at all, it's still better than around half of the faiths in the game lol, and if you've curia control it's very strong.
When you compare Catholic to religions like Shinto, Confucian, Buddhist, pagan (they're all the same in function), Sikh, it's better. It's on par with Sunni and at least in 1.8 can match Orthodox due to the latter operating on a gimped PA event timer (which is getting changed, but so might PI). The only reason people think it's lackluster is that it has to compete with surefire bonuses from Reformed (which, with DLC, is top tier) or Protestant.
Even if you just dump your PI into stability and don't try at all, it's still better than around half of the faiths in the game lol, and if you've curia control it's very strong.
In my spain game with all my cardinals and my bonus to the influence gain from being defender, being spain, and having religiousideals I nearly hit 100 mercantilism without being a republic that gets republic mercantilism events.
That was useful.
Throwing more then five in a papal election was a bad use of influence I found out though. That feels a bit weird so maybe the election percentages should be tweaked a bit so the leader with the most influence has an even higher percent then he does currently.
An exponential increase in chance to fit the exponential increase in cost.
That was useful.
Throwing more then five in a papal election was a bad use of influence I found out though. That feels a bit weird so maybe the election percentages should be tweaked a bit so the leader with the most influence has an even higher percent then he does currently.
An exponential increase in chance to fit the exponential increase in cost.
Yep. Maximum cardinals + religious ideagroup is +1 stab every 9.09 years. Have an NI with +2 it goes down to 6.6.
Imo that alone is already enough to be better then other christian denominations. Obviously you should make use of all this additonal stab.
Additionally as a european catholic the player will/should also make sure that the empire becomes catholic which gives another +1 TTF.
Yep. Maximum cardinals + religious ideagroup is +1 stab every 9.09 years. Have an NI with +2 it goes down to 6.6.
Imo that alone is already enough to be better then other christian denominations. Obviously you should make use of all this additonal stab.
Additionally as a european catholic the player will/should also make sure that the empire becomes catholic which gives another +1 TTF.
I still say Hindu is the strongest for it's adaptability. Even though it's frequent stability booting god is more frequent but costs a random event, five years of weakness, and gold.
Which one is that? In Hindu's case Shiva saves you 2 adm per tax you core, so coring 50 tax will be close to stab boost also. Later on with lvl 3 advisor events I'd run Shiva for sure. Only problem with Hindu is that its conversion strength is junk without sikh switch and back which is costly now. I guess you could convert a sultanate that isn't Rajput to Hindu and go humanist though, never bothering with conversions.
Catholicism has been nerfed for one nation (player), and buffed for all the others
My main grip is how I get not even a single cardinal as a 100 BT Norway during a century, while some OPM had up to 4. So yeah, I switched because there were no point, but otherwise the new system is definately better; papacy shouldn't be "hereditary" (or sort of).
I havent really played in India recently, but I remember from my 1.5/1.6 (?) Dhundhar game that I practically ran Shiva for 90% of the game the other 10% being Shakti when I fought the Europeans.
I would only really rate it on par incase of a hindu republic as this would allow you to use the deities more flexible.
Yeah, I also received AI from forcing my religion. Are you referring to diplomatically forcing it or via peace terms? In my Prussia game, it was peace terms only because I didn't become Emperor until after 1650.
Every hindu patron has a event that can trigger which will give the ruler a bonus for the rest of his life if you agree to hide for five years and take penalty.
Shiva, Ganesh, and Shakti can give a permanent bonus +2 to a stat until you ruler dies. (so with SHakti for instance a 3/3/3 guy would permanently become 3/3/5) Surya's event though is where you hide and build a temple for five years and then every couple years you spend money on a party for MP free stability boosts and it's pretty frequent.
Those events are the best part of being hindu especially if you get them on a young ruler.
Wow, that's good info on Surya, I never used that one much but it appears I was missing out. When vassal feeding in the early-mid game that probably saves more ADM than Shiva.
The problem is how expensive the various bonuses are. Either they need ot go down in cost or papal influence needs to be gained faster for the average country. And of course there's the issue that -thanks to no cardinals outside of Europe and no influence from converting provinces- have fun trying to get enough influence for anything as a non-European power.