It's a bug when u change bookmarks before u start the game, all wars that were at the start of 1444 get nulified. Yes, even HYW
1.8 Byzantium
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It also becomes Turkish, though. Maybe not a huge deal if turkish becomes (and stays) "accepted", but if you're doing it just because you feel better with a high base tax capital, how can any self-respecting byzophile tolerate a capital that isn't Greek?
My attempt:
Churned out some 25 galleys and declared war, easily wiped out Ottoman fleet and hung on until I got my Greek cores and Plodiv and Burga to connect new lands to Constantinople. In the next war in early 1460s I took rest of Ottoman turf in Greece/Bulgaria and made them renounce a few cores. I have been allied to Poland since the second war (fought the first one alone).
I was getting ready to attack Serbia, piece of cake, when around mid-1470s Venice suddenly declared war on me over Albania. They had Castille/Aragon and Naples on their side, I thought I was doomed. They had over 100 ships in their fleet while I had "only" 40 galleys.
However with very careful planning I not only balanced the field but also completely annihilated both Venetian and Castilian/Aragonese navies. Just a year into the war the enemy's world class fleet had been reduced to around 10 ships. Truce with Ottos ends in Jan 1482 so just before that I got what I could from Venice, that is Naxos and Corfu and renouncing Venetian core on Albania.
Ottomans will die again soon and I will take Adrianople.
What I wonder though, how am I supposed to take Anatolia? My force limit at the moment is 17, Ottomans have 29 IIRC. I can't beat them with such numbers and I can't afford a particularly large army since I need my huge fleet in case Venice attacks me again.
On a positive last note, my current emperor has 6 military score and has a 5/5/5 daughter next in line.
Churned out some 25 galleys and declared war, easily wiped out Ottoman fleet and hung on until I got my Greek cores and Plodiv and Burga to connect new lands to Constantinople. In the next war in early 1460s I took rest of Ottoman turf in Greece/Bulgaria and made them renounce a few cores. I have been allied to Poland since the second war (fought the first one alone).
I was getting ready to attack Serbia, piece of cake, when around mid-1470s Venice suddenly declared war on me over Albania. They had Castille/Aragon and Naples on their side, I thought I was doomed. They had over 100 ships in their fleet while I had "only" 40 galleys.
However with very careful planning I not only balanced the field but also completely annihilated both Venetian and Castilian/Aragonese navies. Just a year into the war the enemy's world class fleet had been reduced to around 10 ships. Truce with Ottos ends in Jan 1482 so just before that I got what I could from Venice, that is Naxos and Corfu and renouncing Venetian core on Albania.
Ottomans will die again soon and I will take Adrianople.
What I wonder though, how am I supposed to take Anatolia? My force limit at the moment is 17, Ottomans have 29 IIRC. I can't beat them with such numbers and I can't afford a particularly large army since I need my huge fleet in case Venice attacks me again.
On a positive last note, my current emperor has 6 military score and has a 5/5/5 daughter next in line.
You can rival Ottos and use that as a level to ally Mamluks (even if this means dropping Poland), and bring Mamluks in. Alternatively, you can just camp their capitol + blockade to drag out a long war and bankrupt them.
Finally, you can simply let some, but not all of their forces cross the strait...or let all of them cross and then ship your forces back over and carpet them out completely while blockading (you will win sieges much faster then)...or if they'll chase you into a strait province like Naxos or Corfu, let them attack you there, and retreat off while blockading it.
There are lots of options to utterly screw them really.
Finally, you can simply let some, but not all of their forces cross the strait...or let all of them cross and then ship your forces back over and carpet them out completely while blockading (you will win sieges much faster then)...or if they'll chase you into a strait province like Naxos or Corfu, let them attack you there, and retreat off while blockading it.
There are lots of options to utterly screw them really.
Thanks for the advice, the quoted part is what I would call the strategy a person of my skill level could be able to pull off. Luring them over straits sounds effective but as an EU4 newbie there's a too high a chance for me to screw it up so I'll play it safe. In the first war I already pushed them to 15+ WE and into deep debt, certainly I could repeat the feat. I've tried to ally with Mamluks since the beginning but never get high enough relations.
So annoying that the war with Venice took so long. Serbia will have to wait.
But then, with Venetian core on Albania gone I figure they won't be bothering me again.
After 9 pages of discussion and the cheese/workaround found pretty much instantly,could a mod grace us with his presence and answer us if the missing cores is a bug or wad? Thanks...
Just an observation, in your screenshot you outnumber the Ottoman stack in their capitol. If you shatter that stack and then blockade the strait before it crosses, it gets insta-wiped. Scratch one ottoman numerical lead.
Noooooooooo. Shhhhhhhh.
Why are you inviting the nerfbat for the cheese. Just consume and be happy.
Clearly, it was intended by someone. Those cores have been consciously removed, as in deleted from a file from which they were present before. It just seems unlikely that it was the work of some rogue employee who thought it was appropriate and did it without sanction.
The thought of a "rogue employee" in a development team that size is kind of amusing though.
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If building galleys and attacking someone becomes cheese then I really will stop playing ^_^.
One other way would be to get an ally on the opposite side of ottoman territory which forces them to split their attention. They did that with me and as a result they never merged their stacks before it was far too late and I was in the lead. Poor Trebizond though. They got hit hard for it.
I guess i am just hoping that new province IDs and the multiple 1444 bookmarks somehow bug the game,instead of this being wad. And i m pretty sure the cores inst the only Byz *cheese* atm
Maybe Fredrik crept in at night and modified those four files, just to mess with Johan and Wiz. Clearly he feels they are getting a bit too uppity.
But the real challenge is becoming BYZ, starting as Trebizond. Komnenos are the legitimate dynasty, after all. And you should get your buff to Constantinople without having to surrender it.
The add_core lines have been physically removed from those four files. Seems unlikely.I guess i am just hoping that new province IDs and the multiple 1444 bookmarks somehow bug the game,instead of this being wad. And i m pretty sure the cores inst the only Byz *cheese* atm
Hmm if diploannex is unknown does that mean it;s impossible? I think I fed my ottoman a little too much.
Nvm...50 year intergration...haha
Nvm...50 year intergration...haha
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True. In the past that was a boost. Can't remember are the new TRE ideas better? The old BYZ ones are decent.
Ugh, my next war is a disaster. Got Mamelukes on my side, turned out to be a HUGE mistake they got instantly steamrolled and I was unable to make any gains in Anatolia thanks to that.
That 12k stack in Edirne had a 4-shock general who mopped the floor with my army, I needed 28k vs. 7k battle before I won.
And to make it all even worse, I can't demand Edirne in peace treaty so this war was a complete waste of time.
Their ports are fully blockaded but besides war exhaustion it seems to have a negligible effect.
That 12k stack in Edirne had a 4-shock general who mopped the floor with my army, I needed 28k vs. 7k battle before I won.
And to make it all even worse, I can't demand Edirne in peace treaty so this war was a complete waste of time.
Their ports are fully blockaded but besides war exhaustion it seems to have a negligible effect.
I didn't realize mamluks would be so far back in tech. In my game I trashed Ottos much harder so that wouldn't have happened.
That said, you can still run them ragged with WE + blockades or to strait crossing games. If you can get their army size down, full carpet = stuff from war after all.
That said, you can still run them ragged with WE + blockades or to strait crossing games. If you can get their army size down, full carpet = stuff from war after all.
I'll try that, I guess even if I am defeated in Anatolia I will always have safe access back home.