1.8 Byzantium

[Zak Preston]

This war is already won without any single land battle (slaughtered their 50 ships fleet before)




BTW, I feel quite powerful enough to give Constantinople to Turks and then take it back, but I've never done this before. Any tips how to do it better? ))

 

[Cossack_PL]

Is this your first war with Ottomans? How do you already have whole Greece?

 

[Ranjid]

This war is already won without any single land battle (slaughtered their 50 ships fleet before)




BTW, I feel quite powerful enough to give Constantinople to Turks and then take it back, but I've never done this before. Any tips how to do it better? ))

Don't do it yet. You almost have no provinces in the Constantinople node. Your trade income would take a nosedive. Conquer some more first, but leave them with Nikomedeia or Burgas.

 

[Cossack_PL]

What would be the point of giving away your richest province in the situation where you established a safe presence in the region and don't need to emigrate to Western Europe/Africa/Granada?

 

[Ranjid]

What would be the point of giving away your richest province in the situation where you established a safe presence in the region and don't need to emigrate to Western Europe/Africa/Granada?

+6-9 extra basetax in said province.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

What would be the point of giving away your richest province in the situation where you established a safe presence in the region and don't need to emigrate to Western Europe/Africa/Granada?

Otto mission gives it a huge tax boost which stacks with the BYZ one. Still not worth the time and cost IMO.

 

[Zak Preston]

Is this your first war with Ottomans? How do you already have whole Greece?

This is my second was vs Ottos, I have diplo annexed Bosnia and almost finished annexing Serbia, I have 35 Forcelimit with +15% event and +10% advisor.
Before that I took all cores and Dalmatia from Venice thanks to Poland PU'd Lithuania, Austria and Aragon + 2 vassals (had 6/4 diplomatic relations), then I took Rhodes for free.

I can describe opening moves too ))

 

[Ranjid]

Otto mission gives it a huge tax boost which stacks with the BYZ one. Still not worth the time and cost IMO.

From a min-max perspective that's certainly true. But it just feels better to have a 22+ BT capital. It's even worse now of course, since local autonomy is screwing this strategy big time.

 

[Cossack_PL]

Another factor is that giving Constantinople to Ottomans would convert it to Sunni, good luck converting 22 BT province

 

[Zak Preston]

Another factor is that giving Constantinople to Ottomans would convert it to Sunni, good luck converting 22 BT province

Annexed both Serbia and Bosnia, but Serbian culture is not accepted yet, forcelimits haven't been increased also... What did I miss? ))

 

[Ranjid]

Another factor is that giving Constantinople to Ottomans would convert it to Sunni, good luck converting 22 BT province

You'd have to convert it with 15-17 BT, not 22. Which is easily doable.

 

[Raineh Daze]

Annexed both Serbia and Bosnia, but Serbian culture is not accepted yet, forcelimits haven't been increased also... What did I miss? ))

High LA after integration.

 

[misterslack]

Albania is the key. Ottos are not at war with Albania on day one and you have a core there, so attack right away to get a foothold into the western Balkans. Albania allows you to fabricate claims on Ragusa and Serbia, which will allow you to get to Bosnia, and then Hungary, Venice, or whoever else you like.

 

[Jokolytic]

Albania is the key. Ottos are not at war with Albania on day one and you have a core there, so attack right away to get a foothold into the western Balkans. Albania allows you to fabricate claims on Ragusa and Serbia, which will allow you to get to Bosnia, and then Hungary, Venice, or whoever else you like.

Until Aggressive Expansion eats you alive.

 

[oblio-]

Until Aggressive Expansion eats you alive.

You get high AE only with the Orthodox guys, which are all small. Of course you have to manage it a bit, but I doubt much has changed in the region since 1.7...

 

[Panzerschiffe]

Albania is the key. Ottos are not at war with Albania on day one and you have a core there, so attack right away to get a foothold into the western Balkans. Albania allows you to fabricate claims on Ragusa and Serbia, which will allow you to get to Bosnia, and then Hungary, Venice, or whoever else you like.

Ottos aren't at war with Albania now? That's quite a big change for Byz. I didn't know about that.

 

[Oddb@ll]

Albania is the key. Ottos are not at war with Albania on day one and you have a core there, so attack right away to get a foothold into the western Balkans. Albania allows you to fabricate claims on Ragusa and Serbia, which will allow you to get to Bosnia, and then Hungary, Venice, or whoever else you like.

Someone claimed them being at peace being a bug. We will have to wait and see if that is the case or if it is wad. Guess we better wait before we start constructing a Byzantine strategy around Albania Dow.

 

[shoki]

Didn't test it with 1.8, but with the new 1.8beta patch otomans are at war with albania. So was probably a bug and got fixed :>

 

[Rain Envy]

yeah I haven't been having any problems. No coalitions, no nothing. I westernized extremely early as well. Vassals are hundreds of times better now. They actually help you and listen for the most part. I went with religious for my first idea. Turned Cortia into a march and took Modlavia when Austria force poland to release. I vassalized Serbia as they had already annexed bosnia and fed them Ragusa to keep them as a strong ally. I annexed and now Hungary/Cortia are my western marches. Ottoman is a vassal... Once I conquer the Mamluks I will spear head into Austria and become the HRE. France is NERFED Burgundy is surviving and England has a foothold.

Byz really is one of the best play throughs. With Austria as my ally i can really expand anywhere I want. Maybe I should tame the Russians....

 

[Viperswhip]

Would it not be better to vassalize Albania and use their god general? That used to work...oh, a long time ago.