Byzantines needed more cores, not less. If they had fixed the actual retarded way of expansion rather than to put arbitrary balances, there would be no issue..
but oh no, VF is love VF is life.
but oh no, VF is love VF is life.
1.8 Byzantium
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Transylvania was the largest administrative region of the Kingdom of Hungary and its leaders frequently rebelled against the Hungarian kings. For several periods before the start of the game it was practically autonomous/independent. What happened after the Turkish invasion of Hungary was that this autonomy was formalized.Byzantium will still be doable on similar grounds...but considering how recently they had land there, and that nations that didn't even exist yet like Syria and Transylvania have cores...this move is preposterous and it's maddening that someone spent time making it.
Moldavia shouldn't be super hard provided you get 2 allies against Poland. Hungary usually helps, Bohemia is another important piece of the puzzle.
Though now that Poland is a lucky nation, things got much harder. That's because for the first 50 years or so Poland has no natural large enemies (unless you're lucky and the Ottomans rival them). Poland is also quietly the largest nation in the game sans Ming in 1444, because of the Lithuanian attack dog.
Regarding Byzantium, worst case scenario, run somewhere and return. Or get rid of Constantinople. Ottomans aggression goes down by a factor of 10 without the magic mission.
Bad example by me then and I admit it.
Let's just replace that one with the fully realized nation of Iraq then, or one of your other "revolters" that had no such history
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True, but I think that "desire" has a much bigger weight. And after all, you just want to buy time.
By selling off Byzantium itself? Let's face it, Morea and Achaea are as important to Byzantium as Lappland is to Sweden. Losing the capital is only valid if you want to min-max. From a RP perspective you'd never do that.
Guess it's time to form Byzantium as Venice again.
Well, vassalizing and then feeding Byzantium cores is a whole lot easier as a regional power than conquering Guyenne and feeding it cores. Probably you beat France into releasing them, but then they're likely too big to vassalize in one shot (not sure about these things, 1.8 warscore is very different).
Not sure Persia's really the same either. They don't exist at game start, so you won't vassalize -> feed. You can release -> feed, but that requires conquering some Persian cores first at least.
But, I don't work at Paradox, I have no idea if these were the real reasons
I was just trying to come up with some beyond the rather useless "Paradox hates Byzantium and just keeps nerfing them for no reason" explanations, because even if they're mistaken, these guys are more thoughtful than that
I'll try Byzantium again in 1.8, but if you get big allies and eat up everything small around you, especially in the Caucasus, you should do just fine by holding your ground.
Well, vassalizing and then feeding Byzantium cores is a whole lot easier as a regional power than conquering Guyenne and feeding it cores. Probably you beat France into releasing them, but then they're likely too big to vassalize in one shot (not sure about these things, 1.8 warscore is very different).
Not sure Persia's really the same either. They don't exist at game start, so you won't vassalize -> feed. You can release -> feed, but that requires conquering some Persian cores first at least.
But, I don't work at Paradox, I have no idea if these were the real reasons
Qara Qoyunlu starts with 2 Persian cores. They can release them on Day 0 and start feeding them precious Timmies. The argument about France is also quite lackluster. The Ottomans are a Lucky nation as well. They also are more powerful than them for the first few decades. You also don't force them to release Guyenne. Take some Guyenne cores for yourself and release them as you vassal.
We never complained about the difficulty. I did my Basileus achievement quite a while ago without cheesy tactics. I'll be able to do the same again.
It's all about the irrationality of these nerfs.
Dudes, I might have found a working strategy:
- Austria now always rivals 3 of them: France, Hungary, Burgundy, England. No Venice rival any more.
- Still, hire +Dip. Rep. advisor if available and ally to Serbia.
- Start improving relations with Austria and Poland.
- Build 3 more cogs and 2 knights + 2-3 infantry.
- As soon as Serbian-Bosnian war starts you should help Serbia with 4-6 troops in your stack to finish it ASAP.
- RM with Austria, then ally (ask for Mil access to boost relations)
- Same for Poland
- Wait till any war starts (mostly it's Crimea vs Genoa) and help Austria.
- We won this score with 30 WS, but none gave my cores back, now I don't know what to do.
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Well, vassalizing and then feeding Byzantium cores is a whole lot easier as a regional power than conquering Guyenne and feeding it cores. Probably you beat France into releasing them, but then they're likely too big to vassalize in one shot (not sure about these things, 1.8 warscore is very different).
Not sure Persia's really the same either. They don't exist at game start, so you won't vassalize -> feed. You can release -> feed, but that requires conquering some Persian cores first at least.
But, I don't work at Paradox, I have no idea if these were the real reasons
You only need one province to release Guyenne, but yes, under 1.7 you had to beat France to get it, unless they left the southern with England after the first break in the 100 years war. Still, I always took that province as Castile and fed Guyenne, those provinces are worth far more economically than the islands are to Byz as well.
Don't you worry, they did remove the core on Trebizond.
The rule is "cores on same culture provinces expire after 150 years". Byzantium is not the primary nation of Greek (it's Greece), just like Great Britain isn't of English nor Spain of Castillian. And France... well, France is France and puny (non-player) mortals aren't supposed to hold les provinces Cosmopolitaine anyway. If they hadn't reduced the already weakest cultural union to a joke by removing Armenian and Georgian, that would actually be fair.
Not true. I loaded up Byz to check things out a bit, and Austria rivaled Venice.
hm, nice... I reloaded around 10 times to hire that +dip. rep. advisor and always checked Austrian rivals.
Nop sorry.Even by the *150 years rule*,Rhodes not being a core is still not fair.The crusaders took the island around 1310 so Byz should maintain the core till 1460.
I'm playing right now, it would appear as if Lithuania doesn't automatically block the ottos, but Georgia and the other Circassian states do!
Not to mention that Byz actually should be the greek culture placeholder. At least until Greece forms somehow. Maybe even via event (change all Byz cores to Greek cores at some point if Byzantium doesn't exist). It's really stupid to see all traces of Byzantium or greek culture vanish by ~1600. Heck, the Greeks wanted to restore their empire even in the 19th century.
Nope. Appears that file hasn't been touched.
On the plus side, BYZ does have a core on Chios. And Smyna (Izmirni) in Sugla, and Sinop are now Greek culture. And Gothic is related.