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You don't even need loans if you're not running it on AI bonuses.

100% true i guess. The new Aleppo trade node + the extra provinces allow for some really absurd situations early on.

Spanish armada you say?
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The income you have with such a small amount of provinces is quite ridiculous

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Getting Chios early means that you can lock their army down and siege Anatolia in the first war, which I think is pretty substantial.

Hmm maybe. Admittedly in my game I was fishing for a Greek patriot rebellion and was doing some WE camping. Unfortunately somehow getting Greek patriots turned out to be impossible, but the end result was getting all of my cores back and most of Bulgaria in one war due to province defections.

I'm well acquainted with the trick though of course; I used this in Naxos frequently against the Ottomans, and not just as BYZ.
 

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Naxos is the grave of empires. If only Constantine XI had known! (Hindsight is 20/20, of course.)
 

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Hmm maybe. Admittedly in my game I was fishing for a Greek patriot rebellion and was doing some WE camping. Unfortunately somehow getting Greek patriots turned out to be impossible, but the end result was getting all of my cores back and most of Bulgaria in one war due to province defections.

I'm well acquainted with the trick though of course; I used this in Naxos frequently against the Ottomans, and not just as BYZ.

The best part about 1.51 was that, yes, often rebels wouldn't spawn, but you would bankrupt the Ottos, ensuring they would have major troubles even by the time the next war rolled around.

Have any of you using Chios waited until they were bankrupt? I even did other wars during 1.51 whilst occupying the Ottoman lands until it happened, vassalizing Serbia and Bosnia, and maybe Wallachia. It's hard to get 100% blockade across their whole country now so I don't even know if it's possible.
 

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The best part about 1.51 was that, yes, often rebels wouldn't spawn, but you would bankrupt the Ottos, ensuring they would have major troubles even by the time the next war rolled around.

Have any of you using Chios waited until they were bankrupt? I even did other wars during 1.51 whilst occupying the Ottoman lands until it happened, vassalizing Serbia and Bosnia, and maybe Wallachia. It's hard to get 100% blockade across their whole country now so I don't even know if it's possible.

You could probably still do it, but the longer truce timers means you generally want to do what you're there to do as quickly as possible.
 

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You could probably still do it, but the longer truce timers means you generally want to do what you're there to do as quickly as possible.

You do get province defections via primary culture though, and since they're your cores they are instantly useful. I'm not sure this is a strong enough incentive to hold the Ottomans in war, but it's at least worth a look (I don't know the MTTH offhand).
 

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To take Chios, literally all you have to do is get into a war with Austria being on your side then declare war on Genoa. Austria can't come to their defense if they are already in a war with you. It's annoying to have to wait for that, but it's not too hard.
Actually this used to be true but is no longer.

Something about "You can't declare war on a prince if you're at war on the same side as the Emperor".

Just try it, you will see.
 

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Actually this used to be true but is no longer.

Something about "You can't declare war on a prince if you're at war on the same side as the Emperor".

Just try it, you will see.

Has it changed? Last patch you couldn't do it no matter if you were fighting with or against the emperor, which created junk situations where dismantling the HRE was impossible because any DoW would bring in the emperor (who wasn't allied to enough electors), and then you couldn't get a separate war on another elector.
 

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Has it changed? Last patch you couldn't do it no matter if you were fighting with or against the emperor, which created junk situations where dismantling the HRE was impossible because any DoW would bring in the emperor (who wasn't allied to enough electors), and then you couldn't get a separate war on another elector.
I don't know, but I ran in this problem when I tried to get Chios back.

What I ended up doing was to wait for Austria to be busy in other wars and they did not bother to protect Genoa when I attacked them. The alliance was preserved.
 

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Actually this used to be true but is no longer.

Something about "You can't declare war on a prince if you're at war on the same side as the Emperor".

Just try it, you will see.

I think it's worse that you can't even attack a member of the HRE if allied with the Emperor who is at war. I wasn't able to attack Ferrara while allied with Austria who was at war with France.
 

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What kind of micromanagement helps prevent the debt from crippling you?

Not being in debt in the first place. The Constantinople node right now is a gold mine for you. You took too many unneeded loans since your navy doesn't have to be as big as the Ottos. Just enough to kill their initial stack (~45-50 ships).
 

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Is it me or chois(sp?) defects regularly and Turks enjoy sending a doom stack if you have a bait unit there? So you can park a fleet there preventing them from escaping and allowing you to siege all their provinces.
 

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What kind of micromanagement helps prevent the debt from crippling you?

Set maintenance to nothing, get allies, declare on Ottos the second your navy is good enough to catch their navy split.

I did another quick run to test my game speed, had no trouble beating them + Tunisia for all my cores back and a good chunk of Bulgaria.
 

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Not being in debt in the first place. The Constantinople node right now is a gold mine for you. You took too many unneeded loans since your navy doesn't have to be as big as the Ottos. Just enough to kill their initial stack (~45-50 ships).

Also, though I guess this is more macro- than micromanagement, taking the Kosovo gold mine really helps, too.

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I gave TMIT's Quantity suggestion a whirl here (second pick rather than first, though) since I was burning ADM like it was going out of style, which worked as advertised for opening multiple fronts/handling rebels while waging war. Diplomacy -> Quantity -> Humanist (screw Religious).
 
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Also, though I guess this is more macro- than micromanagement, taking the Kosovo gold mine really helps, too.

I gave TMIT's Quantity suggestion a whirl here (second pick rather than first, though) since I was burning ADM like it was going out of style, which worked as advertised for opening multiple fronts/handling rebels while waging war. Diplomacy -> Quantity -> Humanist (screw Religious).

Nice start.Now stop slacking on the forums and go make Trajan proud :D
 

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Also, though I guess this is more macro- than micromanagement, taking the Kosovo gold mine really helps, too.

lCnwSDE.jpg


I gave TMIT's Quantity suggestion a whirl here (second pick rather than first, though) since I was burning ADM like it was going out of style, which worked as advertised for opening multiple fronts/handling rebels while waging war. Diplomacy -> Quantity -> Humanist (screw Religious).

How the hell did you accomplish this by FIFTEEN SEVENTY FOUR?! Dear god. Here is my ERE, would probably be more impressive but I have a bad habit of tabbing out and multi-tasking when a game slows down.
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Regular screen is too large to upload so all I have is the map. I have another 50 or so years, but I have accomplished most of what I wished, and I just found myself in my first coalition, and at this stage in the game I just don't have the patience to fight it. My ambitions on finishing Italy fell apart when France annexed Milan. Austria had Hungary for a good portion of the game, eventually France and I think a coalition picked them apart. I was rather slow with expansion in this, maybe because I ended up focusing on one target and waiting until my truce ran out until beating on them again. My past ERE games were ended with over-aggression and coalitions, so I was careful this time. The last hundred years have been non-stop war, my admin is suffering horribly, with mil and dip at 27 while admin is at 22 and I am still at something like 80% overextension. This was my first real game with 1.8 so I was still learning all the changes at the same time.
 

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How the hell did you accomplish this by FIFTEEN SEVENTY FOUR?! Dear god. Here is my ERE, would probably be more impressive but I have a bad habit of tabbing out and multi-tasking when a game slows down.
By comparing your screenshots, I think you probably wasted too many MP on getting the Berber lands with its +100% core creation cost?