1.8 Byzantium

[TheMeInTeam]

I'll try that, I guess even if I am defeated in Anatolia I will always have safe access back home.

Dock your ships. If the stack ottos send looks bigger than you can possibly handle, undock them and block again before they cross. Ship a few guys to somewhere else and watch how the ottomans react. If some move away to react to your siege threat, dock your ships again and let the smaller force cross.

Keep playing games with them until you can wipe their army that way or trap it somewhere. Don't just cross the strait blind and lose WS and manpower to a bad fight.

 

[Viperswhip]

Ugh, my next war is a disaster. Got Mamelukes on my side, turned out to be a HUGE mistake they got instantly steamrolled and I was unable to make any gains in Anatolia thanks to that.

That 12k stack in Edirne had a 4-shock general who mopped the floor with my army, I needed 28k vs. 7k battle before I won.

And to make it all even worse, I can't demand Edirne in peace treaty so this war was a complete waste of time.

Their ports are fully blockaded but besides war exhaustion it seems to have a negligible effect.

To get Erdine you have to take the province across from it in Anatolia in one war and the other provinces in Greece around it, then they will move their capital and it can just flip to you via rebels but I don't think you can get it until they move their capital, and to do that it has to be surrounded. You only need Humwhatever in Anatolia though (or whatever it's called now).

To fight the enemy general vassalize Albania, use their leader as your general.

 

[Leandor]

People, the cores are there, but I think that a bug is removing them. If you go to the future 100 years and come back to 1444, select the diplomacy map mode and select BYZ, probable some of the cores will return. Repeat until Albania, Crete, Rhodes, Cyprus and Trebizond are byzantine cores again. It works, try it

 

[Viperswhip]

People, the cores are there, but I think that a bug is removing them. If you go to the future 100 years and come back to 1444, select the diplomacy map mode and select BYZ, probable some of the cores will return. Repeat until Albania, Crete, Rhodes, Cyprus and Trebizond are byzantine cores again. It works, try it

I've never had it fail on any of the cores going forward 100 years, you don't even have to change bookmarks or anything, just go to the home screen, click that up arrow, go back down et voila, cores everywhere and no war between the Ottos and Albania.

 

[Lord Finnish]

Things turned out all right after all.

My previous war, the war of WHAT ARE YOU DOING MAMLUKS ended with me gaining only the province of Optimatoi, peace signed just as my main stack was about to get wiped out by the Turks.
However, things took up a turn for the better immediately - the Emperor died, leaving the 18-year-old Helene as the Empress of the Romans. 5-5-5 stats and so young, I took Quantity as my second idea group (religion was first) and Helene almost immediately got a very good event that got me 200 military points, with that and her stats I quickly worked my way up the idea tree and by the next war I had a solid manpower pool, 1500 gold and an army that outnumbered the Ottomans. In the 20 years of Helene's rule I've reached the situation you see in the picture.

So now that the back of the beast has been broken there shouldn't be any issues anymore. Now it's just steamrolling 'til 1819 and I don't mind one bit.

Appropriately Helene's successor is named Ioustinianos, it's only right that I provide him a sequel to the Gothic Wars.

 

[Prom_STar]

People, the cores are there, but I think that a bug is removing them. If you go to the future 100 years and come back to 1444, select the diplomacy map mode and select BYZ, probable some of the cores will return. Repeat until Albania, Crete, Rhodes, Cyprus and Trebizond are byzantine cores again. It works, try it

The cores are intended to be gone. Changing the start date is the bug. It has long been the case that if you screw around with the start date, cores get screwed up. 1.8 adds the weird bug that all wars go away too.

 

[Rain Envy]

Remember that you can't defeat the Ottomans in a tit for tat war. Even if you had allies on your side. You need to drive up their war exhaustion and drop their prestige. When their prestige is low you have a chance at defeating them. Low prestige = low morale.

 

[Ranjid]

So, I'm trying a Cyprus->Byzantium game right now. The cultural shift is done and I conquered a little bit of land. But it seems that it's impossible for me to spawn religious rebels. Does anyone have some info about it?

That's a little disappointing.

 

[AurochsAway]

So, I'm trying a Cyprus->Byzantium game right now. The cultural shift is done and I conquered a little bit of land. But it seems that it's impossible for me to spawn religious rebels. Does anyone have some info about it?

That's a little disappointing.

You're doing 1.8 wrong. Cyprus should be forming the Kingdom of Jerusalem.

 

[misterslack]

It's not entirely clear from the history/provinces/*.txt files whether the Rhodes/Cyprus/Albania cores intended to be gone. The "add_core" lines are missing, but their corresponding "remove_core" lines are present. Devs need to clarify. See my bug report:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...-quot-add_core-quot-)&p=18327295#post18327295

 

[BarskiPatzow]

Ok cheese found !! Select Byzantium with the Kingdoms of the east 1444 start.Dont tick ironman just yet.Advance one year ahead with the arrows and revert back to 1444 again.Boom you have all cores . Tick ironman now and you are golden.

That also gives u a chance to take Albania And also no HYW so England gets to have all teritories in Europe mainland that it had at the start of 1444 game. Makes France a bit weaker hehehe

And guys, a hint: mothballing is OP

 

[AcaDia]

So the best way is to just make a giant navy?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

So the best way is to just make a giant navy?

Pretty much you're running 0 maintenance, spamming navy and allying whatever you can to encourage the Ottomans to pick an Anatolian Beylik or get involved in a Crimea war before declaring on you.

When that happens, turn up your maintenance for morale, hire a decent admiral. Otto fleet will probably be larger, but not 100% together. Park your fleet of galleys on top of a good #ships that don't have an admiral and declare.

A good trick if you want to do it is avoiding occupying the war goal on purpose to drive up their WE, but it's better IMO to just sit on it to 25% ticking and take ~80% in core return and follow up later. If you rake away enough of their coastal provinces they won't have the naval FL and cash to rebuild what you sunk and maintain it, making future wars a walkover.

 

[BarskiPatzow]

What ideas are good for byz?

 

[sirdar]

In my current play with Byz, I have taken quantity idea first, then religious.
this because in your early conquests, eventually you'll gain provinces with your culture/religion, while quantity is fine to counter otto's huge fleet/army size limit.

 

[Oddb@ll]

What ideas are good for byz?

Religion and offensive. You will be conquering a lot of provinces with different religions, so quicker conversion is important. Offensive is because of better leaders and forced march. But people have different strategies and taste so you just have to find your own style.

 

[BarskiPatzow]

I'd take religious but I always try not to take it as a first idea since... admin points u know

 

[Pellucid]

You're doing 1.8 wrong. Cyprus should be forming the Kingdom of Jerusalem.

Did they make that possible?

EDIT: I looked it up and it is! Do they get the Cypriot NIs or do they switch to Jerusalem NIs?

 

[Suzaku]

That also gives u a chance to take Albania And also no HYW so England gets to have all teritories in Europe mainland that it had at the start of 1444 game. Makes France a bit weaker hehehe

And guys, a hint: mothballing is OP

But in my play attempts England keeps winning HYW.

 

[Oddb@ll]

But in my play attempts England keeps winning HYW.

Say whaaaat??