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Arris

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Wasn't really sure if it is a bug or a feature so at first I created this thread in suggestions -> https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...k-limited-technologies.1025997/#post-22896019 but the more I think about it, the less sense it makes as a intended feature.

Here is the problem. Psionic research is a basic requirement for further development of psionics and ascension which is only available to spiritualists which implies that only spiritualist empire which followed psionic ascension path will be able to benefit from all related technologies. But it is not true even though the game logic implies that these technologies are possible to use because your race evolved and awakened.

According to the game design, you have to follow certain steps and these are:
1) Spiritualist ethic
2) Psionic theory researched
3) Spend two perks to unlock The Shroud and evolve your race
4) Visit shroud several times to get the ability to research certain technologies.
5) Spend time to research these technologies (Psionic Shields, Precognitive Interface, Psi Jump Drive)
And as a reward you get (except for special race trait) some unique technologies (aside for other Spiritualists who can develop them as well since they also can awaken psionic powers). Except... you are not that unique after all.

There is also another path that your opponent (especially in MP game) can do. Initiate war. Destroy few ships in batle. Salvage. Good Job, you have just discovered psionic technologies and are free to use them. Even though your race is not spiritualist, has no expertise in psionics except for knowing that it exists, did not spend even one perk in that direction, is race of synthetics (different ascension) but yeah. You just skipped all steps with one battle and stripped your opponent from his advantage over you. Even though description (good example is Psionic Shields) says that shields are generated by a cadre of psionic experts (you have noone in your whole empire able to use psionics, not to mention a number big enough to crew your ships with).

I honestly hope that this is jus a bug, oversight and not the way you intended it to be since it strips away huge chunk of reason to go into psionic path.

EDIT: To sum it up. Psionic related technologies should be unsalvageable for factions with no psionic perks.
 
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This definitely looks like a bug. If it isn't, it's an oversight and still needs fixing :)
 
Strange, because I tried to salvaga Psi Jump drivers from a spiritualist fallen empire and I was unable to.
But I heard some fallen empire ships have diferent jump drivers that are impossible to salvage.
 
Well, I do not have PSI jump drives in my MP game yet but since my opponent gained precognitive interface and psionic shields from me I kind of assume that PSI Jump drive can also be salvaged...
 
Will ignore my moral code and check savefile from our mp game to see my opponent technologies since he told me he got both Psionic Shields and Precognitive Interface