1.5 Novgorod/Russia Strategies

[DominusNovus]

What are the popular ways of dealing with the steppe nations, now that you can't vassalize them and feed them provinces? When I play Novgorod, I like to build a strong trading empire, so I'm tempted to leave them as protectorates, and just use them to boost said trading empire. Another idea I have is to get vassals to feed provinces to, and somehow get them over into the proper area. It'll be easy to eat up Crimea and feed it to Ukraine, for example, but what would you use for the other khanates? Perm?

 

[Carkasjak]

You CAN vassalize them now. They can no longer be protectorates.

 

[Alsn]

You're living in the past. 1.4 was the patch you are talking about, 1.5 no longer allows hordes to be protectorates so that option is closed to you.

 

[DominusNovus]

Oh, I had it backwards. NVM most of that post.

 

[StatikShocker]

Actually I wonder how to eat crimea with that permanent ottoman alliance.

 

[hwoosh]

Actually I wonder how to eat crimea with that permanent ottoman alliance.

My last Muscovy game I actually allied the Ottomans. Then when you declare on Poland, you can call the Ottomans in since they usually set Poland as rival. While still fighting on the same side as the Ottomans, declare war on Crimea. Crimea will be unable to call the Ottomans to war against you since you are already fighting in a war with them. Then in the peace terms with Crimea, demand annul treaties. As long as you keep attacking Crimea as soon as each truce is up, you should be able to discard the Ottoman alliance as soon as it's no longer useful (or the Ottomans break it off themselves).

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Actually I wonder how to eat crimea with that permanent ottoman alliance.

- Declare on any other ally of Crimea's that isn't also allied to Ottos and won't change war leader.
- If Ottos won't become war leader, buy them out.
- Enforce peace on a separate Otto war, then declare on Crimea and buy out.