The vassalize mission change to max 25 basetax struck me as a bit odd. It's not really a big help, since nations at ~20-23 basetax can be vassalized anyhow?
1.5 - Changes for Subjects: Protectorates/CNs/Vas/PU; Independence; feeding; more
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Very impressive.
Thanks for organizing the information in an easy to read (and understand) format.
Bloke, you've done an outstanding job of testing issues, collating data and generally making a really positive contribution to the game and the community. No game is perfect, and no one will likely agree with every design decision, but stepping above that and doing what you've done is really refreshing.
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Great section, now it's much more clear for me, thanks.
Thanks everyone! Both those I quoted and those before them as well. I very much appreciate your feedback and thanks, it makes putting in the work worthwhile
Thanks Bloke for your great work!
But some points are still not clear:
Do vassals always buy a province with core/claim/historical connection? Or is the proper character of a ruler still needed?
Do vassals create new claims?
But some points are still not clear:
Do vassals always buy a province with core/claim/historical connection? Or is the proper character of a ruler still needed?
Do vassals create new claims?
Direct inheritance also? I mean, when e.g. Spain inherit Portugal without PU stage. Something what happened in my yesterday's game
So when I vassalize England, it will lose not only vassals, but also Colonial Nations? Well...
So im trying to sell provinces I have a core on to my colonial nations but they wont accepts due to -1000 because of no core, claim or previous owner. Is this a bug or intended?
Just the rules I listed. No leader personality/Strategic Interest applies. They buy any of their cores, claims, and previously owned.
No, not in the vanilla game. But there's a new modding flag that will enable them to do so. I plan to add another section detailing what new things can be changed via mods.
Direct inheritance also? I mean, when e.g. Spain inherit Portugal without PU stage. Something what happened in my yesterday's game
Yes.
Yes.
Ah, damn. I didn't ever test selling my core to a Colonial Nation, only to a vassal and PU-minor. I guess that's a bug, then
I will raise it.
[*]Rules for selling provinces to Subject nations
- (The following rules do not apply to Protectorates, which use standard Independent nation rules for buying provinces.)
- Subjects will ONLY buy a province if:
- They have a core on it;
- They have a claim on it;
- They have previously owned it;
- You (the seller) have a core on it
Does that mean that even if they are militarists, they will not buy it?
Yes. The Strategic Interest / Leader Personality checks are gone.
Added: Section B: 4. B: Achievement Changes
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<grumble, grumble> That's why it took me five minutes to find your thread.Added: Section B, 4, B: Achievement Changes
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Hey Bloke, do you know if Protectorates count as home provinces for fleets. Last version I played, they did not, and fleets would take attrition. Haven't played a colonizer in 1.5, yet.
Related: Though both Protectorates and vassals provide fleet basing, given the FBR change, neither provides a base for coring or colonial range, anymore, right? But Colonial Nations do, right?
Sorry, if I missed these elsewhere. Trying to see if I can still do a OPM colonizing game with 1.5, so need to plan way ahead.
I don't know - I'll find out when I can (I have no power anywhere in my house except the kitchen at the moment.. managed to get the router running off two long extension cords to between kitchen and phone socket, so I could use a laptop. No EU4 until the electrician comes
)CNs do. Yes, I believe Protectorates and Vassals do not. Which isn't a change I believe, but probably worth clarifying in my OP.
Yeah I think this really would have been better at something like 30 or even 35 base tax.
So if my first move is to spend a couple of wars annexing Denmark, I get Sweden and Norway as lesser partners?
That's pretty crazy.
Seems the dual-PU achievement just got a lot easier.
Well it's possible but unlikely actually, as by destroying Denmark you'll destroy its prestige, greatly increasing the chance that the PU will be canceled in the process. Also, as subject are more likely to declare independence now, if they feel Denmark is weak after a first beating from you, they'll rebel on their own.So if my first move is to spend a couple of wars annexing Denmark, I get Sweden and Norway as lesser partners?
That's pretty crazy.
So no real worry to have there, fortunately.
Oh my god you're right. This does seem a bit of an oversight. If you manage to vassalize Denmark and integrate them you could nab two PU's. If Denmark is your vassal, and its PUs try to rebel, as Denmark's overlord I think you'd be pulled into that independence war so you could effectively maintain control within a rulers lifetime. Most certainly long enough to annex Denmark.So if my first move is to spend a couple of wars annexing Denmark, I get Sweden and Norway as lesser partners?
That's pretty crazy.
Nope, not vassalize then integrate. You need to annex them outright. See Section B, 1.B. - vassalization and protectorisation cancel all existing subjects.
Well it's possible but unlikely actually, as by destroying Denmark you'll destroy its prestige, greatly increasing the chance that the PU will be canceled in the process. Also, as subject are more likely to declare independence now, if they feel Denmark is weak after a first beating from you, they'll rebel on their own.
So no real worry to have there, fortunately.
If Denmark's only worth 23 base tax at the game's outset, you should be able to annex them before prestige becomes a factor. If you think Sweden's gonna get uppity, you could truce break to head them off. Just thinking aloud here.