1.4 - World Conquest & Achievements

[cthr1981]

I also like the bigger AE for bigger countries. It games where I'm a country like France it forces me to concentrate on things other than mainland expansion in the late game, like dismantling other empires, or stealing colonies in the New World, or trade disputes. I really don't want WC to be possible, so I hope taking away scaling AE can be optional

 

[Novacat]

yeah, while it was the design we wanted, we realise that those who grow that big want to paint the map, and AE scaling just makes it impossible.

Its not so much the AE scaling that kills it, its the fact coalitions in general tend to slow the game to a crawl becasue their total warscore is much higher than 400% thus preventing a coalitioned country from extracting much concessions from a coalition in a peace deal, even if they won decisively.

IMO, AE should scale based on base tax, which will benefit large, poor countries but at the same time coalitions should have a warscore cap so that a winning coalition target could extract serious concessions from the coalition, and thus make a coalition actually risky.

 

[zodium]

Can this be modded back in? I really liked the scaling AE according to size for smaller nations; being able to annex stuff with no one caring as an OPM and then gradually having to worry more and more about how your big, scary neighbors are viewing your actions.

Perhaps have a scaled AE reduction for small nations, say under ~15 provinces?

Assuming everything remains the same, the entire game will now play as though you were an OPM, AE-wise.

Its not so much the AE scaling that kills it, its the fact coalitions in general tend to slow the game to a crawl becasue their total warscore is much higher than 400% thus preventing a coalitioned country from extracting much concessions from a coalition in a peace deal, even if they won decisively.

IMO, AE should scale based on base tax, which will benefit large, poor countries but at the same time coalitions should have a warscore cap so that a winning coalition target could extract serious concessions from the coalition, and thus make a coalition actually risky.

I think this fix is aimed at making it feasible to manage AE well enough that coalitions don't form, rather than a total fix to coalitions, and with respect to that, I think it's actually a step too far. The scaling modifier should simply be 0.02 per province with a cap of 1.5 to 2, instead of the current 3.5 cap with constants. This will make it rather easy to avoid coalitions altogether.

 

[WeissRaben]

Eh, I guess I wanted them to expand on peacetime, instead of making war easier again. Apparently EU4 will remain a wargame, instead of a game about the Modern Era. Oh, well.

 

[1alexey]

Eh, I guess I wanted them to expand on peacetime, instead of making war easier again. Apparently EU4 will remain a wargame, instead of a game about the Modern Era. Oh, well.

There will be other DLCs. For this one, they make a small and easy fix. Perfectly acceptable in my book.

 

[Yeekim]

I'm in the "a step too far" camp... :/

 

[Bibor]

I just checked my Ottoman game. Apparently I have 352 provinces in 1815.

So, for the Jihad Achievement we would need:
All of Afrika (163 provinces)
All of Asia (398 provinces)
40 provinces in Europe.

Ottomans for this one, no doubt.

Asia would need to be an all-out war with "all in coalition", preferably first removing the colonial powers to remove possible AE spill.

 

[WeissRaben]

I just checked my Ottoman game. Apparently I have 352 provinces in 1815.

So, for the Jihad Achievement we would need:
All of Afrika (163 provinces)
All of Asia (398 provinces)
40 provinces in Europe.

Ottomans for this one, no doubt.

163+398+40 is 601. You need 500.

 

[Bibor]

Oh right, wohooo! So it's actually doable without colonizing West Africa and/or going into India.

 

[WeissRaben]

Oh right, wohooo! So it's actually doable without colonizing West Africa and/or going into India.

Also, Jihad is a Najd-only achievement, so no Ottomans.

 

[Johan]

Also, Jihad is a Najd-only achievement, so no Ottomans.

and 100% religious unity => a hell of a lot of missionary activity.

 

[alexxis]

Subjects = Vassal, Colony, Lesser Union or Protectorate.

sorry guys, but what do you mean by "protectorate"?
are there any other forms of subjection other than "Vassal, Colony, Lesser Union" ? :huh:

 

[Bibor]

and 100% religious unity => a hell of a lot of missionary activity.

Oh My. So it's an early westernization + full scale colonization game, while conquering the rest of the known (sunni) world. Well, at least there's the 10% cheaper stab. modifier and +3% missionary strength. Perhaps if you PU the Ottomans...

 

[Junuxx]

sorry guys, but what do you mean by "protectorate"?
are there any other forms of subjection other than "Vassal, Colony, Lesser Union" ? :huh:

seems to me that's a new kind of diplomatic relation being added in 1.4 or the expansion.

like the changes btw!

 

[cthr1981]

Can someone tell me where the AE modifiers due to number of provinces are in the defines.lua or whatever? I'd like to be able to know how to change it back once they take that out

 

[zodium]

Can someone tell me where the AE modifiers due to number of provinces are in the defines.lua or whatever? I'd like to be able to know how to change it back once they take that out

A scaling factor for the province count AE modifier is exposed in defines.lua, but if they take out the modifier, that probably won't do anything.

 

[bleakie]

A scaling factor for the province count AE modifier is exposed in defines.lua, but if they take out the modifier, that probably won't do anything.

I think they will just change the parameter (AE_ATTACKER_PROVINCE) to 0, and leave the option open for players who want to retain the feature. Though this claim will need the confirmation from the developers.

 

[zodium]

I think they will just change the parameter (AE_ATTACKER_PROVINCE) to 0, and leave the option open for players who want to retain the feature. Though this claim will need the confirmation from the developers.

Oh, yeah, that makes sense.

 

[tapewormlondon]

PMSL. I do love these boards. People clamor for coalitions to be nerfed, they get nerfed, then more people clamor that its too much.

Be interesting to see if its a popular change, just to see how split the community is on AE and coallitions.

 

[zodium]

PMSL. I do love these boards. People clamor for coalitions to be nerfed, they get nerfed, then more people clamor that its too much.

Be interesting to see if its a popular change, just to see how split the community is on AE and coallitions.

Who would have thought that people were interested in actually balancing the game, as opposed to treating the matter like a team sport?