I agree that the CoT situation is well in hand now. But remember that the AI won't realize that capturing Thrace will spawn a CoT, so it will undervalue the province. A human player would never let such a prize slip by.Norrefeldt said:With the submitted events for province based spawning of Thrace CoT even a late OE takeover will work well. It will also be created always if taken on time by OE, since the b option of their event is removed. I think that this is how far we should go.
Yes but we have a number of special events happen based on ownership of Thrace - events that go beyond just the CoT. If we really think that owning Constantinople would not become a crucial objective for the Ottomans, then they should probably be able to achieve these bonuses (CoMD, et cetera) without taking Thrace. Otherwise, we need to force the Turks to go after a province that is much more valuable than the AI files allow them to realize.Norrefeldt said:I don't like fixating the outcomes of history. Forcing another nation that take Constantinople to cede it to the turks if they manage to take it, however briefly, is not the way I like the game to work. A strong Venice, for example, wouldn't let go of it either, and it wasn't the sole goal of Ottoman expansion, as proved by how many other conquests they did while in the vicinity of Constantinople, or even allied to the city.
It is not a problematic nation in terms of military strength or overall European advance, but it underperforms in the Levant and Africa fairly consistently.Norrefeldt said:There are many other places that nations yearned to take or hold, without any special events. I think the game should have it's natural flow and these rare circumstances should be let to happen. OE is currently not a problematic nation.
This does not preclude an ally or friendly nation capturing Thrace - it would at best only slightly reduce the odds. There is a risk that this would overpower the Ottomans unless you're suggesting lots of 4/2/2 leaders. That would actually be fine, but again I'm not sure this addresses the problem.Norrefeldt said:We could give them more minor leaders spread out during the period (I'm sure there were plenty of them ), that would increase the likelyhood that they take it themselves, and reducing the already small chances that an ally take it.
In my experience, by the time it revolts away, it's usually the 16th century. The barracks are in the wrong place, the capital never moves, the free conversions never come.Norrefeldt said:Besides their allies will have great trouble holding a greek orthodox city completely surrounded by Ottoman land.