1.30 and Expansion closing in on the finishing line?

[Vohen]

Not meant to put pressure on devs or anything, it'll be ready when it's ready.
But we can try to take an educated guess here, as much as possible anyway.

From the beginning, this expansion was set out on some pretty heavy mechanical overhauls (HRE, papacy and estates), tech debt and QoL, as well as map reworks and mission trees galore.
To that they have added merc and revolution reworks, and now governing capacity (as well as other minor features like hegemonies and DotF), making this truly a Herculean expansion to behold.

So, having in mind the features that will be revisited in future DDs (like mercs next week and, at some point, estates), as well as mission trees not yet revealed, how far do you guys think we are from a name reveal and release date now?
With all these mechanics announced, they can't possibly have anything big still left to show (or can they? ), so I'd put my figurative money on a name reveal soon-ish, maybe halfway through next month, with a release date announcement in early Q2 for a release in mid/late Q2.
Maybe this is somewhat optimistic, maybe it's more realistic than one might think, what are your thoughts?

PS: for anyone interested, a quick list of the stand out nations still without a mission tree revealed to keep track of.
If I'm missing someone or if any of them were already revealed (or any useful info really), feel free to tell me.

• Pomerania, Bohemia and the Hanseatic states in Germany (Silesia maybe? Idk);
• Genoa and the Pope in Italy;
• Brittany and Burgundy in France;
• Bosnia, Ragusa and Albania in the Balkans (Croatia had most of it casually shown today, does that count? Also, I don't think Byzantium and the Ottomans will get one).
• Edit: Also, the formables Italy, Germany, HRE (they were already confirmed, but not shown) and perhaps Hannover(?).

That's quite the list, hopefully it won't take long to show them.
Also, having already shown how the Burgundian inheritance will work, I don't know what's keeping them from revealing the tree anymore.

 

[Kerham]

What's with Byzantium and Ottomans? They already have some of the most generous trees, if not THE.

I would love Theodoro to get a silly small tree with permaclaims on some german land/Gothland, Trebizond maybe something to replicate the quest to refound the Empire, but the area overall I think is decently covered.

 

[klingonadmiral]

If that's all there is, I'm going to be disappointed.

And Burgundy has a mission tree already and one that was expanded in 1.30:

I’ll start by addressing the elephant in the room: where’s Burgundy? We do indeed have a mission tree for Burgundy, but it is not yet time to reveal it. The Burgundian mission tree is tied to features yet unannounced and to reworks of certain significant events that we are not yet ready to talk about.

That was on the 11th of June 2019.

Show us that damn tree already, PDX

What's with Byzantium and Ottomans? They already have some of the most generous trees, if not THE.

Mughals, Hordes , Aragon and Spain would like a word

 

[Me_]

It's probably the last DLC, so they want to make it as shiny as possible.

 

[Vohen]

What's with Byzantium and Ottomans? They already have some of the most generous trees, if not THE.

That's why I don't expect them to be touched upon in this DLC, especially Byzantium with their Purple Phoenix.

I would love Theodoro to get a silly small tree with permaclaims on some german land/Gothland, Trebizond maybe something to replicate the quest to refound the Empire, but the area overall I think is decently covered.

Theoretically they should be outside of the scope, but we're getting crusader states trees, so who knows.
Not holding my breath tho.

And Burgundy has a mission tree already and one that was expanded in 1.30:

They sure do like to tease us...

It's probably the last DLC, so they want to make it as shiny as possible.

I'm expecting at least a Scandinavian country pack to come before they close up shop.
There's no way PDX would leave them with the barren mission trees they have right now.

 

[Kerham]

Mughals, Hordes , Aragon and Spain would like a word

I don't see what could be added, honestly. The one thing which both Byz and Otto lack, imo, is a "win this game already" button. Particularly Byzantium. Instead of being showered with court intrigue, civil wars and other disasters (which actually did sank the Empire into irrelevance) is a smooth ride into the realm of fantasy rpg.

 

[Vohen]

If that's all there is, I'm going to be disappointed.

Really? Isn't this already EU4's largest expansion to date, one of PDX's largest in the post-CK2 era even?

 

[Erad Veif]

If I recall correctly, they still have to make dev diaries about other catholicism features, mercenaries (next week) and one feature that might revolve around vassals, estates or something like that. I would be surprised if this expansion was released before april. I'm also curious about that one modifier that was hidden from Ulm ideas.

 

[holyvigil]

What's with Byzantium and Ottomans? They already have some of the most generous trees, if not THE.

I would love Theodoro to get a silly small tree with permaclaims on some german land/Gothland, Trebizond maybe something to replicate the quest to refound the Empire, but the area overall I think is decently covered.

They have good trees. I would pick Navarra if I had my choice of mission trees personally.

Maybe with the corruption changes I'd pick Oirat.

 

[klingonadmiral]

They have good trees. I would pick Navarra if I had my choice of mission trees personally.

Maybe with the corruption changes I'd pick Oirat.

Both Navarra and Oirat have missions.

Navarra's tree is focused on dominating Iberia, colonial stuff and putting France in a PU under you.

Oirats get a massive amount of permaclaims from Japan to Moscow to Jerusalem and everything inbetween.

 

[holyvigil]

Both Navarra and Oirat have missions.

Navarra's tree is focused on dominating Iberia, colonial stuff and putting France in a PU under you.

Oirats get a massive amount of permaclaims from Japan to Moscow to Jerusalem and everything inbetween.

This was in reply to the second sentence.

 

[MagentaPhoenix]

What's with Byzantium and Ottomans? They already have some of the most generous trees, if not THE.

I would love Theodoro to get a silly small tree with permaclaims on some german land/Gothland, Trebizond maybe something to replicate the quest to refound the Empire, but the area overall I think is decently covered.

Lol the Ottoman tree is one of the most underwhelming of any great power, save perhaps France and Mamluks. It’s literally just claims on historical land. That’s it. Compare that to any nation in the Maghreb, Granada, Castile, Navarra, Portugal, Aragon, Scotland, England, Ming, Hordes, Qing, Bahmanis, Mewar, Vijayanagar, Delhi, Bengal, Juanpur... On and on, the list of nations, a good half of which are historically irrelevant, goes. Byzantium even has a worse mission tree than a good deal of those.

 

[Sete]

Portugal mission tree is historical. It is basically what Portugal did.

 

[klingonadmiral]

Juanpur

Jaunpur doesn't have a mission tree,

 

[Jarvin]

Jaunpur doesn't need a mission tree IMO. Starting as Jaunpur you can easily form Delhi by 1447-1449, which gives you full Delhi's mission tree.

 

[dv8ndie]

Have we had a dev diary that goes into a deeper dive about HRE changes? All I have seen are some cobbled together pictures of the new HRE prince layout and a picture of the new united/Renovatio HRE ideas.

 

[Cancerofthehead]

There was some about the Imperial Incidents system, but I wouldn’t trust any mechanical specifics from those early dev diaries by now. I think there is a good chance that significant changes have occurred since then.

 

[Vohen]

I don't think we have even properly seen the new interface at all, have we?
We know there'll be two Reformation paths, but I don't think we've seen what those look like either.
I suppose the HRE will also need a revisit in another DD.

 

[neondt]

PS: for anyone interested, a quick list of the stand out nations still without a mission tree revealed to keep track of.
If I'm missing someone or if any of them were already revealed (or any useful info really), feel free to tell me.

• Pomerania, Bohemia and the Hanseatic states in Germany (Silesia maybe? Idk);
• Genoa and the Pope in Italy;
• Brittany and Burgundy in France;
• Bosnia, Ragusa and Albania in the Balkans (Croatia had most of it casually shown today, does that count? Also, I don't think Byzantium and the Ottomans will get one).
• Edit: Also, the formables Italy, Germany, HRE (they were already confirmed, but not shown) and perhaps Hannover(?).

That's quite the list, hopefully it won't take long to show them.
Also, having already shown how the Burgundian inheritance will work, I don't know what's keeping them from revealing the tree anymore.

Most of the countries listed will have mission trees. Some will be very extensive, for instance the Papal State, while others will be small but flavourful like Albania.

 

[AirikrStrife]

They also promised to talk about bohemia at some point, and here we can really hope for hussitism to make its entrence to the game, as well as updated league war mechanics.

There is also bound to be dev diaries featuring burgundy more extensively, maybe in next weeks merc diary. They also at one point said they would show of switzerland and then later showed updated ideas. I'm hoping for new government for switzerland so I hope the ideas weren't the only thing they wanted to show.

Also, they never got around to explain how france works with it's new vassals.

Unless they announce the game next week (which I doubt) release date are most likely to be earliest in april.