1.3 Experience as Italy

[Beerbeard]

Hi,

So, I loaded 1.3 as Italy in 1936, and off I went. Much faster, much smoother. Was able to take Yugoslavia and puppet Romania, after that any war dec from me, even on China, caused the UK to declare. I don't have a problem with that, 1.2 was too easy for Italy.

However, a couple of things went wrong in the Diplomacy area.

1) Germany never occupied Austria or Czechoslovakia. Austria joined the Axis, CZ joined the Allies.

2) Japan joined Axis in 1936, along with Hungary. Portugal(!) joined in 1938.

3) By mid 1939, the Allies were huge! USA, Canada, Mexico, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, most of Central and South America, South Africa, the low countries...

4) The Allies did not declare on Germany when they attacked Poland on May 1st.

5) When I joined Germany against Poland, though, WWII started.

Have others had these experiences?

Thanks,

BB

 

[unmerged(139259)]

3) By mid 1939, the Allies were huge! USA, Canada, Mexico, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, most of Central and South America, South Africa, the low countries...

Hehe, take it from the positive perspective - Japan seems to be no longer joining Allies (at least in your case)...

So far, it seems that the democracy still unbelievably rules even in its darkest ages...:wacko:

 

[unmerged(94346)]

Hi,

So, I loaded 1.3 as Italy in 1936, and off I went. Much faster, much smoother. Was able to take Yugoslavia and puppet Romania, after that any war dec from me, even on China, caused the UK to declare. I don't have a problem with that, 1.2 was too easy for Italy.

However, a couple of things went wrong in the Diplomacy area.

1) Germany never occupied Austria or Czechoslovakia. Austria joined the Axis, CZ joined the Allies.

2) Japan joined Axis in 1936, along with Hungary. Portugal(!) joined in 1938.

3) By mid 1939, the Allies were huge! USA, Canada, Mexico, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, most of Central and South America, South Africa, the low countries...

4) The Allies did not declare on Germany when they attacked Poland on May 1st.

5) When I joined Germany against Poland, though, WWII started.

Have others had these experiences?

Thanks,

BB

Well I suppose playing ahistorically with Italy would have the effect of creating an ahistorical scenario.

 

[unmerged(177078)]

Well I suppose playing ahistorically with Italy would have the effect of creating an ahistorical scenario.

Do you think that playing historically would create a historical scenario?

 

[unmerged(129069)]

a relatively historical, yes.

 

[Sunfighter]

When did austria join the axis?

 

[unmerged(155897)]

I had the same thing with austria Joining the axis in 1937 before I got the chance to be ahistorical.

 

[unmerged(177078)]

a relatively historical, yes.

I'm sorry to inform you that you will be disapointed, as that will not happen. Even if the player chooses some small neutral country (unlike the example provided in OP) things do not follow history.

 

[unmerged(141369)]

I would be fine with everything else in the diplomacy area - call it the butterfly effect
As long as it's (i) somewhat plausible and (ii) makes for a good gaming experience, I'm all for it, if only for the simple reason that the player does not have the advantage of historical information over the AI. Portugal joining Axis would be something I would consider acceptable.

But this

3) By mid 1939, the Allies were huge! USA, Canada, Mexico, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, most of Central and South America, South Africa, the low countries...
BB

would be a real issue, because Germany should not invade Poland if Poland is allied with half the planet.

Could one not teach the German AI to do what probably all Axis players do, i.e. raising the threat of UK and France and/or influencing at least USA? And teach the Allies to influence Italy and Japan, or introduce some events/decisions by which relations between the potential Axis powers suffer, so that the complete Axis does not stand in 1937 already?

 

[GAGA Extrem]

Austria (and Australia!) becoming a member of the axis did also happen in my 1.3 beta game. However, a 2nd game followed the historical path.

The game has become quite dynamic as it is now. I have seen Belgium and Luxemburg join the axis, saw Japan join the allies and the Soviet Union once managed to influence Greece to join the comintern. Not bad imo...

 

[Shabz]

In my first game on 1.3, I played as Germany (GC). I started doing what I was always doing in previous versions - use 10 leadership to influence Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia. I also sent spies to France with increase threat mission. Next thing I know, a triangle pops up in notifications. It's tooltip says that a country is ready to join my faction. The country turns out to be Hungary. Moments later Italy, Japan, Austria, and Yugo got option to join in. I went to diplo screen, and realise that France now has threat in area of 50-60. Next I check Intel screen, and realise that my spy net in France is 10... It appeared that they didn't "waste" any leadership on espionage. Or Deuxieme Bureau is incompetent . Pretty soon Nat. Span and Portugal were in on Axis, and I think Romania and Bulgaria will join in few months.

Allies also got new countries to join their faction (among them are Low countries). Poland is somewhere in the upper part of triangle, but I don't think they will join in time. Since Austria joined in, I couldn't get Anschluss decision. Can I ban them? Or is it impossible because Japs are in (it appears) in limited war against Chinese? When should Munich decision pop up, as I went to sleep before game turned to September 1938 and will it be affected by still "independent" Austria?

 

[krieger11b]

1) Germany never occupied Austria or Czechoslovakia. Austria joined the Axis, CZ joined the Allies.

If Austria is a member of a faction, even Axis, there will be no Anschluss, then there will be no Munch agreement or first Vienna award.

Czechoslovakia must also not be allied for first Vienna award.

 

[nailsworthnobby]

I have also being trying an Italy 36 game but have played historically so far - to end of 38. As with the latter releases of the 1.3 Beta, the problem is not ahistorical happenings as such, it is just the fact that everyone joins the factions much too quickly.

Like the OP, Japan and Hungary are both in the Axis by the end of 36, with Portugal joining in 37, New Zealand, Australia in the Allies by mid 37 and I have had to influence the USA since late 36 to stop them getting too close to the Allies. Although this makes for a lively game, the three games I have played through to the end of 39 (with various different countries) have all seen all the main players in the war (except the Soviets luckily for the Axis).

I have no idea if the urge to join a faction can be easily trimmed back, but it would improve the game for me.

 

[unmerged(129069)]

I'm sorry to inform you that you will be disapointed, as that will not happen. Even if the player chooses some small neutral country (unlike the example provided in OP) things do not follow history.

I said relatively, not stricktly. If Portugal, Nat. Spain or some other small country joins axis, it's not differing a whole lot. If a major would declare a completely strange war (Like SU declaring war on the allies, or maybe even axis before things get heated) without the player doing a major unhistorical thing, it would be very unfortunate and stupid. Now all the majors seem to go to the right faction, and even some minors do so aswell... Now if we'd just get SU to have the winter war in the winter (or atleast AFTER molotov-ribbentrop), I'd be happy

 

[Beerbeard]

I think the fact that Austria joins the Axis fairly early on takes the game completely off the historical track. This is fine with me, but it means that nearly no events will fire, since they all seem to build on each other.

I played my game a bit farther. Poland was *not* in the allies, so Germany took the whole thing in May of 39. I'm assuming the Danzig event fired then. The Allies did not declare on Germany, and in June of 1940 they still haven't. The only thing that gets them to attack is if I (Italy) declares on any country, even Albania. It feels like Germany's AI is locked by the size of the Allies, so WWII starts when I decide, and not before.

None of this is bad, but just takes some getting used to. I think by going to the same engine as EUIII Paradox has made it so it is very easy to go off the historical track. Unlike EUIII, there are no events that support that, so the game feels off somehow. I'm not sure if there is a solution for this.

BB

 

[tiago.dagostini]

Hi,

So, I loaded 1.3 as Italy in 1936, and off I went. Much faster, much smoother. Was able to take Yugoslavia and puppet Romania, after that any war dec from me, even on China, caused the UK to declare. I don't have a problem with that, 1.2 was too easy for Italy.

However, a couple of things went wrong in the Diplomacy area.

1) Germany never occupied Austria or Czechoslovakia. Austria joined the Axis, CZ joined the Allies.

2) Japan joined Axis in 1936, along with Hungary. Portugal(!) joined in 1938.

3) By mid 1939, the Allies were huge! USA, Canada, Mexico, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, most of Central and South America, South Africa, the low countries...

4) The Allies did not declare on Germany when they attacked Poland on May 1st.

5) When I joined Germany against Poland, though, WWII started.

Have others had these experiences?

Thanks,

BB

Only that? I am may 1938 with germany... Axis include Germany (duhh) italy, Hungary,Romania,Portugal,Spain,Yuguslavia, Japan.. and POLAND!!!!!

BTw i never even tried to influence poland.. they just had their standings run liek mad at a whopping 9.7 rate towards axis since day 1 of grand campaign.

The allies are composed of UK, France, Switzerland (ok already an wtf.. switzerland should have all their ministers give a penalty to ANY drift), and Argentina ( WTF?)

 

[Daztek]

In my Italy game, which I haven't gotten far into, the main thing I've noticed is the Ethiopians are much stronger and better directed than before.

 

[LaDoncella]

Hi,
3) By mid 1939, the Allies were huge! USA, Canada, Mexico, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, most of Central and South America, South Africa, the low countries...

you know whats fun?
that it doesn't matter, most countries are going to idle within their borders
hell, even france won't send a single division to the lower countries when they are in the allies and at war with germany

 

[dac]

Just a question, I haven't played much, but on Normal, I run out of energy as Italy fairly quickly. I've got auto-trade on, I'm thinking of turning it off and trying to buy some energy on the open market. I think I didn't get much farther than March before I'd exhausted my energy supplies. Now that I've defeated Ethiopia, do I need to scale back some of my economic laws?

 

[Beerbeard]

I've never used auto-trade. As Italy, you need to sell supplies for money, then buy energy from Germany. With industry techs you can become self-sufficient in metal and rares, but you won't ever have enough energy. Luckily, Germany has loads and will always trade with you, in my experience.

BB