1.3 Combat Rebalance

[Johan]

- Rebalanced landcombat algoritms to be based on direct values instead of relative bonuses. aka, lategame is as bloody as early game.
- Moved away the quality impact from scaling weaponmodifier to scale actual damage. 
- There is now damage on morale on units in the backline during a landcombat.
- Tweaked up strength damage slightly in landcombat.
- Navallandings now have a penalty of -2.

 

[Novacat]

Is Combat Ability and Discipline working properly now?

 

[Searry]

How long does the average 100k vs 100k fight take now?

 

[Taelyn]

Sounds promising, definitely like the sound of the naval modifier. Have the changes had any effect on the 5 year battles in the mountains?

 

[lordelenath]

Could anybody explain this so that Noobs like me understand what will happen? Were combat modifiers broken and if yes, do they work now? If that was the case, nations like Prussia, Japan and Poland should become a lot more powerful, right? Help, I have no idea about combat mechanics.

 

[DDRJake]

Backrow morale damage? Now there's a gamechanger. I'm looking forward to trying that out.

 

[MiniaAr]

Is Combat Ability and Discipline working properly now?

Moved away the quality impact from scaling weaponmodifier to scale actual damage.

I think this is the sentence that deals with that issue.

 

[Mann42]

- Rebalanced landcombat algoritms to be based on direct values instead of relative bonuses. aka, lategame is as bloody as early game.
- Moved away the quality impact from scaling weaponmodifier to scale actual damage.
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- Tweaked up strength damage slightly in landcombat.

This sounds promising.

- There is now damage on morale on units in the backline during a landcombat.

Will this include reserve troops, such as in mountain battles where the combat width is significantly lower than the number of soldiers waiting to be cycled in? Or is it just the artillery troops in the back row that are actually in the battle during the combat phase?

 

[Taelyn]

Could anybody explain this so that Noobs like me understand what will happen? Were combat modifiers broken and if yes, do they work now? If that was the case, nations like Prussia, Japan and Poland should become a lot more powerful, right? Help, I have no idea about combat mechanics.

So the problem was that ideas that gave you +infantry ability or +cavalry ability modified your weapon modifier. But if you had the same tech level as your opponent, it had very little effect. So, yes, this should make Prussia, Japan and Poland stronger.

 

[Novacat]

I think this is the sentence that deals with that issue.

Maybe Combat Ability, but Discipline is supposed to enhance defense (according to the tooltips, anyway) and it currently does not.

 

[Rain Envy]

Back row damage makes artillery more useful?

 

[Taelyn]

Back row damage makes artillery more useful?

I suspect what it means is that you can no longer rely on just one row of artillery. So what usually happened in the game currently is that your artillery in the back row is invulnerable, it doesn't take damage until your front line infantry and cavalry are broken. So there was never any point to having more artillery than your combat width. Now that it takes morale damage, you'll probably need more of it. It also avoids the inevitable end of close battles where you ended up with artillery units fighting each other on the front line after all the infantry and cavalry are done.

Although probably the change mostly means battles will be shorter.

 

[RobRoy3]

Back row damage makes artillery more useful?

I interpreted it as they would be more vulnerable, meaning (potentially) less useful.

 

[Dr. B]

Cool, I hope cavalry can kick some ice now compared to the previously invincible artillery.

 

[Brugarolas]

Any change in naval combat?

 

[Avernite]

Cool, I hope cavalry can kick some ice now compared to the previously invincible artillery.

I suspect artillery will still be mostly (strengthwise) invulnerable, it'll just run away faster.

 

[hauptman]

Rebalanced landcombat algoritms to be based on direct values instead of relative bonuses. aka, lategame is as bloody as early game.
- Moved away the quality impact from scaling weaponmodifier to scale actual damage.


Line one is music to my ears! However if we do that why is line 2 neccesary?

Is this another double fix that's going to bite us in the arse like the defensive fix?

 

[dezuman]

Working combat system? Finally I will be able to execute my evil plan...

 

[Lady_Sinful]

i have a feeling that this will be changed yet again.

 

[Mann42]

i have a feeling that this will be changed yet again.

Of course it will!

Or the things these changes break will be changed. Law of unintended consequences in game development. 1 tweak = 10 unintended consequences. Paradox just cranks this to 11 by implementing 10 tweaks to the same system at the same time.