1.3.3 (2dd2) Is AI Germany competitive in your games?

[llib]

One note though - production ai may not be at it's best still, however, there quite likely were lot of losses in planes since start of war, too.

 

[Rider_of_Doom]

Played 2 games today for achievements, Germany got stomped in both (unhistorical focus). I noticed one thing: Germany doesn't build new divisions at all after the beginning/first year(s). They're sitting around 90 divisions... when the Soviet Union has something like 350. Even Japan has more divisions.

 

[Skalman500]

Also I've noticed AI Germany going right through the Maginot Line well before Netherlands or Belgium fall. I'm not sure if it's because AI France goes all gung ho with Britain on naval invasions on AI Germany or just poor army/division alignments.

Anyone else want to share their experiences / opinion on 1.3.3 (2dd2)?

I have had about 8 hands off games and I can confirm your observation. I have seen Britain and France invade Hamburg and Willhelmshafen every time during the Western offensive as Germany moves in. Also I have seen Germany push through the Maginot line between Metz and the Rhine. I have seen the USSR mess up and start the Winter War late 1940 or early 1941. This happened about 5 times. Operation Weserübung usually starts around December 1940. But still Germany has so far not won against the USSR, however I only have 8 games in so it's not surprising. I like the whole production changes, but I dislike a lot of the AI trade choices. Also I have seen smaller fleets of the Brits patrol the Baltic Sea which I dislike. It seems to me that many of these production and tech changes make it more fun to play for me, however I think the Meta performance of the AI was better in 1.3.2, it wasn't very sophisticated, but at least Germany got it's job done and most of the time kept to the timetable. My "2" cents!

 

[llib]

One thing that is quite disturbing is the AI decision making - it was written that Japan should be less likely to DOW Soviets if it's not winning in China yet decisively and I can confirm they stayed in peace so far while China has whole continental Asia(well what was Japan's and their puppets anyway except Korea). However it would be good if Japan would use same restraint with regards to allies, and not join the war in January 1940 as it was being beaten off in China.
And, German AI should also not be starting war with Soviets in early 1941 if it's still bogged down in Norway(including some Panzerkorps) and if net result is that by the end of 1941 it is going to be fighting Soviets on the outskrts of Berlin.

 

[ltccone]

In my one 1.3.3 game Germany declared war on the USSR in January of '41 and is defeating the USSR.

 

[FrancescoT]

@thooo remove/obscure the swastika from the screenshot or remove the screenshot asap or I'll have to remove the whole post.

 

[Had a dad]

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[llib]

One thing that is quite disturbing is the AI decision making - it was written that Japan should be less likely to DOW Soviets if it's not winning in China yet decisively and I can confirm they stayed in peace so far while China has whole continental Asia(well what was Japan's and their puppets anyway except Korea). However it would be good if Japan would use same restraint with regards to allies, and not join the war in January 1940 as it was being beaten off in China.
And, German AI should also not be starting war with Soviets in early 1941 if it's still bogged down in Norway(including some Panzerkorps) and if net result is that by the end of 1941 it is going to be fighting Soviets on the outskrts of Berlin.

And now that Soviets are practically controlling whole Germany except for Austria, already are in Amsterdam, allies are advancing in Italy (Romania, Bulgaria and Slovakia capitulated long ago while Hungary is still fighting), apparently
1) Germany decided it's good time to DOW Yugoslavia(probably at that point just for the hell of it).
2) Nationalist Spain decided it too wants to be defeated and joined the war.

 

[thooo]

sorry, i didn't mean any harm... didn't notice it at all while posting it...

 

[Dalwin]

I think I might have found 3 major reasons why Germany is struggling in Russia. This game is me playing Japan, unmodded except for No Man's Land and a single define line change to stop the naval production of obsolete ships.

#1 no allied help
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Every single division in Hungary, Romania, and Slovakia is sitting at home. No independent operations, no expeditionary forces. Italy is busy fighting in Africa so no help or expeditionary forces from there either. It look like expeditionary forces has been completely turned off.

#2 Only 300 fighters and they are flying over the English Channel. Hard to advance with Russia controlling the sky.
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Why only 300 fighters? Look below.

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Not a single factory working on plane production. Some are assigned, but resistance has destroyed the factories. And I would hardly call 8 factories adequate fighter production. If the ai is supposed to better at resistance it is doing a very poor job showing improvement in this picture.


What are the factories making?
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Everything is assigned trying to make up massive deficits. As you can see the screen shot shows a 30k deficit in inf eq reinforcement. The rest wasn't much better.

It is June 1941, Germany has been at war with Russia less than a year. I would be surprised to see it survive until the summer of 1942.

Observations:
Why are ai Germany's ai Axis minor allies sitting at home?
Why is ai Italy not operating in Russia?
Why are there no expeditionary forces?
Production priorities now seem badly skewed.
Suppression still seems to be lacking.

Edit - Tagging in @podcat and @SteelVolt

I would definitely say that the observation about no expeditionary forces is linked to its problems with suppression. For most human players at least, that is the best use of the Hungarians, garrisoning France and Benelux.

 

[seldon]

I have played two1.3.3 games as USA until early 41 (tried concentrated vs dispersed ) with max help to the Axis. In the first game German/Italy took over Europe in pretty historic fashion.
Africa was a bit of a stalemate. Japan was closing in on Chungking but still struggling.
In the 2nd game Italy conquered most of France, but was totally knocked out of Africa. Japan control only eastern China from Beijing to Shanghai.

 

[Secret Master]

We should know better than to post swastikas, especially after a moderator has already stepped in.

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