1.24 North American Natives, tips?

[Shinkuro Yukinari]

I rarely play in the Americas(mostly because reforming is a migraine unless you are Mayan, let's be real here), but I decided to try the northern ones again. I would love to hear your suggestions on who to play, tips on how to play them etc.
For now I am considering Iroquois(cause Age of Empires 3) and Mohicans(I loved watching the Last of the Mohicans cartoon when I was younger)

Yeah, weird way to choose a nation

 

[YuriiH]

Get stability cost reduction asap. No-CB everyone, conquer / vassalise-integrate everyone. Either colonise the northern coast or move closer to Aztecs/Maya to conquer them as well. When the Europeans arrive, reform

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I recommend not to play them until they stop being designed to make you spend 1/3 to 1/2 of the timeline doing nothing.

You can just develop your way to great power status while banking on the reform boost or do some shenanigans like migrating into Mexico and conquering it --> go Nahuatl. Either way, your success is tethered to the timing of when Europeans show up, which is an untenable restriction when it can be as late as 1590-1600. You can still make it to end game and own NA/SA + more but the #1 "task" for most of the game is doing nothing. If that's your cup of tea enjoy, but I recommend positions that are not the same whether you're facing towards or away from your computer screen for half the game.

 

[Vicodin_Addict]

One of the best N.American tribes might be Caddo (with the migration goes Nahuatl exploits), and Pima/Wichita for more or less the same reason. For seasoned player like Atwix though, he can succeed as Haida which is beyond me and my capabilities

But if you are interested in the South American tribe, I recommend to play as Andean tribes Cusco for this purpose only :

Cusco - Indepedent Nation
Heir : Tupac Yupanqui Huyla (IIRC)
Now ruling the world as Tupac is no longer a dream

Servant : My Pachacuti Tupac, France has agreed to full anexation and will pay two thousand ducats in exchange of peace
Tupac : That's dope shit yo!

 

[atwix]

I rarely play in the Americas(mostly because reforming is a migraine unless you are Mayan, let's be real here), but I decided to try the northern ones again. I would love to hear your suggestions on who to play, tips on how to play them etc.
For now I am considering Iroquois(cause Age of Empires 3) and Mohicans(I loved watching the Last of the Mohicans cartoon when I was younger)

Yeah, weird way to choose a nation

Haida! 3 development, what could go wrong?

For seasoned player like Atwix though, he can succeed as Haida which is beyond me and my capabilities

you can read the AAR linked in signature.

i wouldn't play a multiple province NA tribe like iroquios, as they can't migrate to mexico (which in all honesty, is the nly viable strategy IMHO)


@Shinkuro Yukinari there are loads of tips, but what exactly you want to know?

migrating south and border mexico/go Nahuatl is no brainer, as otherwise north americans have to waste thousands of moarch points fleshing ot ideas tht go usesless after you refurm.

i did it i my haida aar for flavour reasons, but regretted not going Nahuatl after.

 

[Vicodin_Addict]

Haida! 3 development, what could go wrong?



you can read the AAR linked in signature.

i wouldn't play a multiple province NA tribe like iroquios, as they can't migrate to mexico (which in all honesty, is the nly viable strategy IMHO)


@Shinkuro Yukinari there are loads of tips, but what exactly you want to know?

migrating south and border mexico/go Nahuatl is no brainer, as otherwise north americans have to waste thousands of moarch points fleshing ot ideas tht go usesless after you refurm.

i did it i my haida aar for flavour reasons, but regretted not going Nahuatl after.

I have, and everytime I read that AAR I remembered Taboo TV Series, since the protagonist (Tom Hardy) was a man born in Nootka, the first area you migrate at the start of the game

 

[Shinkuro Yukinari]

What, I lose all the Native bonuses after reforming? That is nonsense!

 

[atwix]

What, I lose all the Native bonuses after reforming? That is nonsense!

which is why going Nahuatl is good idea, you keep bonuses then after reforming.

but yeah, it is quite nonsense. first you spend thousands of MP to get native ideas, only to ditch all buildings and stuff when you reform..

 

[Shinkuro Yukinari]

In that case, I will be a sheep and play Nahuatl Caddo then

 

[Gunburned]

Best Strat I've seen besides custom nation Settler spamming

 

[Shinkuro Yukinari]

Best Strat I've seen besides custom nation Settler spamming

I think everyone has seen this one

It is certainly fun, but at first I wanted a more "native" experience, if you catch my drift

 

[TheMeInTeam]

which is why going Nahuatl is good idea, you keep bonuses then after reforming.

but yeah, it is quite nonsense. first you spend thousands of MP to get native ideas, only to ditch all buildings and stuff when you reform..

Nahuatl also doesn't require monarch points to reform so it's a stronger move for sure, even before considering Mexican gold.

That said, there are achievements for Creek, Pueblo, and Iroquois so if one wants these they'll be stuck with multi-province natives. You can of course just vassal someone, give them land, and migrate South anyway. It's still going to be faster than waiting out NA colonization. Usually.

Regardless since you can get separate wars vs CNs and they don't give OE, as long as you live long enough to equalize in tech and get court and country in a decent timeframe it's pretty fast to engulf the entire new world in short order during the age of absolutism.

One of the best N.American tribes might be Caddo (with the migration goes Nahuatl exploits), and Pima/Wichita for more or less the same reason. For seasoned player like Atwix though, he can succeed as Haida which is beyond me and my capabilities

Since you can migrate across sea zones multiple provinces and do it faster at negative stability, nobody is THAT far away.

 

[Karlingid]

I like Pueblo. They get unique ideas, are far enough away that they're not in immediate danger without being too far that they'd be uninteresting, start with some easy targets for conquest if you'd like, and are isolated enough regionally that peaceful colonization is entirely possible as an alternative or a compliment. You can practically encompass the entire Southwest without facing difficulty, and I once managed to do so- forming an empire from Arizona to Texas and conquering the Portuguese colonies that popped up later.

For roleplay reasons, the Pueblos were kinda the only settled group available for you to play as, and did indeed spread into Texas historically as well. The Southwestern culture that spread the widest IRL, however, would be the Apache.