[1.24.1] Revoked at 1536

[Phantorex]

Hello,
i want to show you a trick to revoke asap.

Its really easy and dont need much work.

How i did that?
I guaranteed everyone in the HRE and prevented the Shadow Kingdom.
Because of this you have permanent "Landfrieden".
Yeah you will have -999 Dip Points because of this, but you dont need them anyway when you can revoke 70 Years earlier.
And when you need Dip Points for taking Rome or other unjustified demands then take the 100 Dip Points from the burghers. You can deal with the corruption soon enough.

 

[Bibor]

This is not a new trick, though, isn’t it? i think the Blobber or someone did this 6 or more months ago on YT.

 

[Phantorex]

Okay, i didnt knew him before, but then you are right this trick isnt new.

 

[Plantagent]

I have a question. What happens with the reformation?

 

[Bouchart]

If you pass Erbkaisertum before the Protestant league forms, the Protestant League will never form and the game will act as if the Peace of Westphalia was declared.

 

[Bibor]

I have a question. What happens with the reformation?

The reformation still fires, but you don't have to suffer from blobby HRE members. Looking at you, allied electors

 

[Benghi Bon]

Does guarantee not take up a diplo slot anymore?

 

[Viktor Vaughn]

It does, hence the -999 diplo points.

 

[krieger11b]

So no diplo tech until 1536, 92 years of lagging there has to hurt.

 

[Splax77]

Neighbor bonus is plenty to make up for the lack of tech.

 

[Benghi Bon]

It does, hence the -999 diplo points.

Ah right, of course.

 

[makaramus]

yea and I did at 1568... without guaranteeing
its not imposible if you are little lucky . guarantee just removing luck factor

 

[Lacost]

The better strategy is to warn the HRE princes instead of guaranteeing them. This, of course, requires you to take land in the HRE to border each and every prince but this initial effort is absolutely worth it since you can still revoke in 1540 if you are really fast.

An additional benefit is that Austria is in a much better position since you can take diplo ideas and wage wars with unjustified demands more freely. And yeah ... you don't sit around picking your nose for 100 years because you don't have any diplo points.

 

[makaramus]

The better strategy is to warn the HRE princes instead of guaranteeing them. This, of course, requires you to take land in the HRE to border each and every prince but this initial effort is absolutely worth it since you can still revoke in 1540 if you are really fast.

An additional benefit is that Austria is in a much better position since you can take diplo ideas and wage wars with unjustified demands more freely. And yeah ... you don't sit around picking your nose for 100 years because you don't have any diplo points.

you cant warn bohemia and maybe brandenburg

 

[Lacost]

you cant warn bohemia and maybe brandenburg

Why not? Bohemia has a lot of princes in it which you want to punch out and Brandenburg can be cut down in size swiftly. Keep in mind that you want to have territory all over Germany and those non OPM princes will give you them.

 

[atwix]

people forget that hre emperor can take and core land EVERYWHERE in HRE, even landlocked enclaves.

just conquer enclaves everywhere in seperate peaces from cobelligerents, study diplo situation to see what you gotta declare and who to make cobelligerent, and then..

WARN the entire HRE not to go to war, and guarantee a few others if you can't possibly warn them.

Guaranteeing all is just the easy way, but not the most efficient.

 

[makaramus]

Why not? Bohemia has a lot of princes in it which you want to punch out and Brandenburg can be cut down in size swiftly. Keep in mind that you want to have territory all over Germany and those non OPM princes will give you them.

to warn them you need to be much more stronger than them so before conquering land from them you cant

 

[krieger11b]

So using the warn everyone in the HRE strategy, as Austria, is it still a good idea to go for the forced PU with Bohemia for their help in wars until HRE Revoke, or is it net loss if they are only going to be independent for another 100 years or so.

Also does warning everyone plus trying to reign in Northern Italy AE push the electors opinion too far down that you don't get enough of them voting you for you as Emperor?

 

[Lacost]

to warn them you need to be much more stronger than them so before conquering land from them you cant

That's why you conquer them first and cut them down in size. You can also PU them which also works.

So using the warn everyone in the HRE strategy, as Austria, is it still a good idea to go for the forced PU with Bohemia for their help in wars until HRE Revoke, or is it net loss if they are only going to be independent for another 100 years or so.

Also does warning everyone plus trying to reign in Northern Italy AE push the electors opinion too far down that you don't get enough of them voting you for you as Emperor?

Bohemia PU is always worth it. Always. The power-hike you get from it plus a fixed electors vote is just too good.

Warning actually doesn't decrease the relation of the warned country towards you. You are simply not allowed to ally the electors. However, since you already have a fixed vote from Bohemia and you will aim to be the only "large nation" in the HRE, there should be little competition on the emperors throne. Keep in mind that IA points count towards your reelection chance so you will only loose the election in very rare cases after passing a reform. With enough attention though, you can avoid that.

 

[Phantorex]

That's why you conquer them first and cut them down in size. You can also PU them which also works.



Bohemia PU is always worth it. Always. The power-hike you get from it plus a fixed electors vote is just too good.

Warning actually doesn't decrease the relation of the warned country towards you. You are simply not allowed to ally the electors. However, since you already have a fixed vote from Bohemia and you will aim to be the only "large nation" in the HRE, there should be little competition on the emperors throne. Keep in mind that IA points count towards your reelection chance so you will only loose the election in very rare cases after passing a reform. With enough attention though, you can avoid that.

I didn't needed the PU with Bohemia, the -50 handicap (Election) is huge and you only need to fight 4 Wars (2xPapal,Venice,Burgundy) with this tactic and you will have a tons of allys.