I really hope that is the case. If we are really lucky they are just going to copy GH's suggestion and implement it
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Probably a historical source they used somewhere. Remember that some data is not easy to find on the internet, or not at all on the internet. I thought @Trin Tragula was responsible for Ming China during their AOW revamp, he might be able to answer this. (Because these two provinces aren't new) Some provinces are pretty obscure when you compare present-day maps with them, Yongping (province split from Beijing) for example has an entirely different name nowadays, but had some value during the Ming period. It's called Lulong nowadays while another place in Yunnan (Southern region of China) is called Yongping too, funnily enough (outside of the game AND there is also a Lulong somwhere else in Yunnan).
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Unfortunately, that is not the case. The second screenshot, in 1579, shows the same colour across most of central Japan. That would represent Oda's empire. The 1444 Kyoto daimyo, with the same colour, would be Ashikaga. Therefore, it must be "Japan" again...
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Administrative Divisions of Ming and Qing are very easy to find though.
I think they went beyond just the administrative divisions, as in the usage of sources.
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Both provinces are in correct places, at best the cities could be moved, but that's a small issue. Runing (汝宁) is most certainly a valid city name.
Where? I don't doubt you, I couldn't care less what they do in vanilla with the map, so I didn't even check it.
EDIT: At least Runing fits almost perfectly the actual prefecture borders from Ming times. Lu'an is composed of several prefectures other than Lu'an itself.
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Wikipedia has images of the big administrative divisions, they don't represent the EU4 provinces, too big to see smaller provinces. I might be looking in the wrong place, of course.
And thank you for verifying Runing and Lu'ang's position.
Are you a native speaker? Or do you have some good sources?Edit: Sorry there was a misunderstanding. With 'beyond' in my previous post I meant that Paradox hasn't only used the images of the administrative divisions that Wikipedia shows, but probably also some other sources. I'm not disputing the provinces' validity or yours. We're on the same page.
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Maps in English will most often show only highest rank divisions, so provinces (行省). Bellow them were numerous prefectures (府 or 州) and counties (县). All are pretty well documented, even on Chinese wikipedia.Wikipedia has images of the big administrative divisions, they don't represent the EU4 provinces. I might be looking in the wrong place, of course.
And thank you for verifying Runing and Lu'ang's position.
I'm not a native speaker, but I speak Japanese, I'm learning Chinese and I love hoarding various historical maps. So, things like that I can easily check.
In that case the Kyoto Daimyo would just be the Ashikaga, who also own Sagami, which basically just defeats the whole purpose of removing Japan to begin with.
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I have a Chinese girlfriend who speaks fluent Mandarin, but I haven't been able to enlist her for map-translation and source-checking, sadly. XD
Wikipedia has images of the big administrative divisions, they don't represent the EU4 provinces, too big to see smaller provinces. I might be looking in the wrong place, of course.
And thank you for verifying Runing and Lu'ang's position.
Edit: Sorry there was a misunderstanding. With 'beyond' in my previous post I meant that Paradox hasn't only used the images of the administrative divisions that Wikipedia shows, but probably also some other sources. I'm not disputing the provinces' validity or yours. We're on the same page.
Nah i'm making a mod and placing down all provinces all over again but notice that in many cases they're in the wrong location by simple wikipedia
Hopefully not English wikipedia, because over there it is not written that modern Changzhi (长治) in Shanxi was known as Lu'an (潞安) in Ming times. Likewise it won't tell you that Runing (汝宁) in Henan is now known as Runan (汝南).
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Aa nice thanks
sadly i don't know chinese so the chinese wikipedia wouldn't be useful
maybe some other similar website?
sadly i don't know chinese so the chinese wikipedia wouldn't be useful
maybe some other similar website?
The Dev Multiplayer sessions will start tomorrow if I'm not mistaken. They've stated that they'll play in the 1.20 patch, excited to see if there are more changes!
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