- game numbers again?
- buy presenting Russia as non-sensical langrabbing abomination and ignoring some of mine other remarks? Doubtful.
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1.16: The Patch That Destroyed Russian Culture
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Can some one please explain why are you two so up in arms about the fact that russia grabbed a lot of land against wishes of the locals in an era when everyone grabbed a lot of land against wishes of the locals was the thing everyone was doing? Hell the only reason it stopped nowdays is because noone wants to start WW3 on accident.
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No idea. I wonder the same, at first i thought it was some strange language misunderstanding at first.
Apart from land grab, everything else is your words, not mine.
in 1444 it very well could have been even more than 500 - 1,000 given the fact that today karelia republic and murmask oblast have around 700k population in todays years, Then there's arkhanghelsk oblast with more than 1million again in todays years.
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- i asked him about it, he did not replied, then later he ignored comparison with oh-so-not-imperialistic USA. I bet it is ideological then, like for giant_sloth. Bratushkas and famos slavic unity, heh.
- aha, i got it.Apart from land grab, everything else is your words, not mine.
- so no sauce?
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Just keep in mind that you cant directly draw conclusions like that always, you had population shifts as well, for example if youre interested check the background part of this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjarmaland
I'm not sure what that means, I assumed it meant i was lying or making stuff up.
- source, you claiming that every "province" contained around 500-1k locals im just interested to know sources of such interesting discoveries.
I'm sorry to say I don't have a source, But i think logic makes it pretty clear that there isn't 30 locals per province, otherwise it would be very hard to find a single tribe meaning everyone who has ever explored the region would never have found signs of human life which would be wrong because they clearly did.
500 - 1,000 people per is not that much at all, i don't know why this is suprising and uncomprehendable -.-
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Ryazan is the new Hansa/Memel hyperculture from another plane of existence
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- logic dictates that in harsh environment populace to tend to not be big and in case o tribal societies they tend to migrate alot. Claiming that tundra and steppe had any significant numbers of native local population is rather... original.
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Math also makes it pretty clear that there were far more people than this, If there were 30 people per province in 1444, and the harsh evironment never improved for years then the populations would remain around 30 people until 1700's or 1800's, there's no way not even if every generation had 6 healthy children who also multiplied by making 6 more children could they ever achieve 80,000 karelians in 2010.
And that is in a world where there is such thing as having 6 healthy children who never die until old age, even their parents for that matter. In a world where There's no such thing as infertility, in a world where everyone even has 6 children when they probably couldn't sustain that ammount, In a world where starvation is out of question!
With 80,000 karelians in todays year, that also doesn't take into account the many karelians who assimulated and the ones who arent even registered
^ If that isn't on par with a source then you severely lack logic.
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- err... that is definitely not a source, you have base your number crunching on something and not forget, we talked about land acquisitions, not an acquisitions of populace, so you have to proof not numbers of populace but the fact that said populace were present in acquired land.
BTW how you define a "province" irl?
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yes you're right, it isn't defined as a source so I edited the post before your reply, excuse me for that.- err... that is definitely not a source, you have base your number crunching on something and not forget, we talked about land acquisitions, not an acquisitions of populace, so you have to proof not numbers of populace but the fact that said populace were present in acquired land.
BTW how you define a "province" irl?
So you're saying that all these migrants popped off the plane of existance temporarily and took a flight back only recently?
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That is also true, It's a lot of pine forests meaning there's plenty of cover for hunting deer or other wildlife such as racoons or etc..
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