There's a dlc called Charlemagne- russian is already all over the place in 867, that doesnt sound as consistency to me at all.
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1.16: The Patch That Destroyed Russian Culture
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- it was terrible, and its cultural map is even worse than 1.16 one.
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Seems, they found "ryazanian culture" from the books of archaeology or just from google. There was the place to be in the II millenium b.c. So it's completely unrelated to "culture' of in-game categories and timeline.
Which, if you haven't yet noticed, takes place 600 years before the start of EU4....
Rus' culture has already been fleshed out under Kievan Rus' since the 900's, and after Christianization, it was culturally homogenous.
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As was stated in DD, split was game play oriented, they just picked biggest local (in the area they wanted to split off) city and named a culture after it. Worked more or less with the other 2, not so much with Ryazan.
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How could it be? With great distances and no roads? With illiterate population? How could dozens of different tribes become one culturally in so little time?
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Well, it's even worse I thought.
At least they have a time before new patch to remove this "ryazanian" nonsense.
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They are in many ways the same thing, without a separate culture the novgrodians nostalgia for their own political system will be woefully short lived.
They boke up russian because the sheer amount of development they were getting, because they are stuck with atleast 3 development per province which is way to much for russia and ruthenia. So yeah we can put the russian culture back together when almost all russian and ruthenian provinces goes down to 1 development (or every other province in the game gets it's development multiplied by 3).
Hardly surpising Novgorod was the initial seat of the Rurikids, before it moved to Kiev.
Newsflash we already did.
No it always seemed strange to me too. Visigothic was added in charlamagne and yet it got to show up in 867 too, but the russian cultures only appear in 769. Icould say the same thign for saxon and frisian except those should be there in every start date (frankish too in lotharingia and perhaps replacing dutch)- russian is already all over the place in 867, that doesnt sound as consistency to me at all.
I thought we agreed never to speak of that again?
It was terrible but many of it's cultural additions were actually quite intresting.
Truth is they probably didn't, another country that's been seen as homogenous in this era is sweden and sweden had loads of subcultures that only the reformation (in russia I'd guess the reign of Peter the great was the turning point) began to properly stomp out. Still to this day there are north germanic languages in sweden which aren't swedish (nor norwegian or danish). No this idea about historical homogenity is something that people think was because cultures like swedish or russian have been homogenous a lot longer than the ones down on the continent.
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How?
Pre-800's: No Rurikoviches. They were responsible for uniting the land in the 900's. They are from the original Rus' host.
Post-980's: Religion. Christianity was Grand Knyaz Vladimir's way out of a divided, paganist land. He himself was a zealous Slav, raised statues to Perun.
One day, decided it's not as cool as the monasteries in Constantinople. So he married a princess and converted the entire country. Byzantine contacts soon brought the Cyrillic alphabet.
And in less than a century, almost the entire population now considers themselves Orthodox Christian, speaking/writing in Old Church Slavonic, and decide they live on "Russian land". (Or Rusyn. Or Ruthenian. Or Rus' ian. Or Русичи. Or whatever. It's the same damn thing.)
That's how..
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How do you know that? There was a poll maybe? Never heard of it
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Oh Goood, yeah, people leave in chicken enclosures and never saw other countryside
trade route from varangians to the greeks exist but people have not been able to communicate - 3
Which is exactly reproduced if you have a united orthodox russia, where each part of the originally "divided, paganist land" regards russia as their primary nation, thanks to their common culture group and religion.
You forget that the Slavic, Varagian, and Finno-Ugrian tribes in the area are long gone and extinct by 1444. They all combined and assimilated together into a Russian identity. It would be silly to have Ilmen culture in Novgorod, just as it would be silly to have Phoenician be alive and well in Syria. Or Gallic in France. Or Carthraginian in Tunis. May as well change Crimea to scythians for good ol times sake.
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Actually common people are only called themselves as a "orthodox christians". It was the same in christian states for a long time. Because, "There is neither Jew nor Greek; there is neither slave nor free; nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." according to st. Paul speech. And. it was a basic principle, which helped chrisitan rulers to rule
inhomogeneous population of their countries.
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No, that is exactly what I'm saying and that is exactly what happens if you form Russia. But now imagine the russian country breaks down due to some evil Lithuanian conqueror. Would it be more realistic if all russians accept Lithuania or is it more realistic if they remain an unaccepted culture in Lithuania, i.e. are more likely to revolt. Because the latter is what would happen with the new way russian culture is represented.
Edit: Btw. I just looked at you edited initial post and your alternative idea of splitting the russian culture differently looks good.
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So what? We communicate on this forum, but it doesn't make us of one cultureOh Goood, yeah, people leave in chicken enclosures and never saw other countryside
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- nah, its not the same as every province having their own distinct ancient culture due to calling curb porebrik instead of bordur.
And plox dont use "we" when describing Pdx, unless ofc you are employed by them.- han, it all was half assed job on Pdx part, same thing actually with 867 start. If it wasnt for some of the achievements and more hard starts ( stronk caliphate are better adversary than half dead fatimids ) i would not even played them.
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The biggest problem with culture at all is it's name culture.
It has nothing to do with culture at all. Neither with language, nor with customs, food, rituals...
It's about identifieing with a political entity. But that wasn't that big of a deal in the till the late 18. Century.
It has nothing to do with culture at all. Neither with language, nor with customs, food, rituals...
It's about identifieing with a political entity. But that wasn't that big of a deal in the till the late 18. Century.
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