1.14 silly mission

[Apollyonna]

I got Establish Aragon in the Spice islands (own Makassar).

Considering my colonial range is 425 and Makassar is only at 1642 distance plus I did not and have no intention to choose exploration/expansion ideas, I am wondering why I am getting this mission (expecially related to the long distance as I would not be able to core it if I wanted to)

 

[Sousuke123]

In current patch every western country get this mission cause trigger doesn't check if western tech country got exploration/expansion unlocked while it checks for eastern and antolian. I've already reported this so hopefully it'll be fixed.

 

[Trin Tragula]

Yes it'll be fixed for next patch. The range check was accidentally removed.

 

[Melville]

That explains why Naples declared war on Brunei...
On a side note, I'd really love to see more varied missions.

 

[DicRoNero]

And why as Muscovy I keep getting Subjugate Kazan AND Subjugate Crimea at the same time, which effectively leaves me with just one mission? Where are those regarding HRE (before you ask: I'm Catholic and the Emperor) and many others?

Obviously, if the player (for some reason) indeed wants to expand eastward early game, then he can take either of these, complete and then pick the next one. If on the other hand neither of these is within his scope of interest, then they two are just a ballast, cutting possible options drastically.

 

[Rusky]

And why as Muscovy I keep getting Subjugate Kazan AND Subjugate Crimea at the same time, which effectively leaves me with just one mission? Where are those regarding HRE (before you ask: I'm Catholic and the Emperor) and many others?

Obviously, if the player (for some reason) indeed wants to expand eastward early game, then he can take either of these, complete and then pick the next one. If on the other hand neither of these is within his scope of interest, then they two are just a ballast, cutting possible options drastically.

[HUGE MUSCOVY PLAYER HERE, 2165 hrs in the game recorded and probably 2/5 of it was Muscovy if not more.]

With the missions, i think it just goes with whatever you can/should do ATM. I've seen them both at the same time before, and after picking one and fighting-finishing the war i canceled the mission and was still given the option to take the other one, and later on STILL got the mission to get the one i took 1st. So long as the conditions for it are meet, it will come up.
I know for a fact cuz I've always(if/when i remember) canceled the mission after the 1st war, unless I plan on annexing them in 2 wars, and always got the mission back later.

The only thing that changes is the province that gets the reward, which is ALWAYS the capital of the nation your conquering when taking the mission. So if you take the Mission for Kazan and cancel it after the 1st war, the next time you take it, the boost will be for their new capital.


EDIT____

Did you mean they literally they have 2 missions selected and active at the same time? Because that would be weird if true and a bug i think.

 

[Trin Tragula]

And why as Muscovy I keep getting Subjugate Kazan AND Subjugate Crimea at the same time, which effectively leaves me with just one mission? Where are those regarding HRE (before you ask: I'm Catholic and the Emperor) and many others?

It works like this:
Missions come in 3 varieties, ADM, MIL and DIP.
Normally the game will try to display one of each. If one category has no alternatives available to you it will display 2 or 3 of the same category rather than make the list shorter. Having just 2 missions available when there is a whole bunch of missions still valid in another category would be pretty frustrating after all.

Missions can be unavailable either because they don't fit you current situation or because they are blocked for some other reason. Reasons include if you already have the mission reward active (a timed modifier most of the time) and some missions are only ever available before you have completed them successfully once per game (these fill more of a tutorial function, the standard "get an alliance" mission is one of these). There are also some which cannot repeat unless a certain time has past since you last completed them (improve relations with elector is one of these, it cannot retrigger unless 20 years has past since you last completed it). The game will also not show the mission you had immediately before again unless you have another mission in between.
As there are a lot more military missions in the game than the other categories the chance of them running out is the lowest and that's why when multiple missions of the same type are displayed they are the most common.

In your case you get to pick from 2 MIL missions at the same time because there are either no ADM missions or no DIP missions for which you are eligible. They should not really be reducing your number of options as you only get two of them due to lack of other available missions.

 

[Rusky]

ohh, a scripter replying, just noticed, thought everyone was on holidays, sry for small hi-jack but....

Anyway you can make a small comment on the topic of this thread if you have the time? https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...to-do-something-with-cannons-artilery.896651/

It deals with A.I walking around with stacks composed of 0-inf, but 10k Cav and 20k Art as an example. My suggestion boiled down to seeing if it would be possible to get the Art guys and convert them to Inf.
If the situation called for it( all the Inf died and manpower is low)

IIRC Artillery die on the front lines quick IIRC and it does make for too easy AI killing mid-Late game and it really makes no sense unless the army is in full retreat mode.


Also, I appreciate the clarification on the missions.

 

[ChildeR]

Having just 2 missions available when there is a whole bunch of missions still valid in another category would be pretty frustrating after all.

With all the generic missions that have been removed lately, it's quite common that there are no/few missions available, unfortunately. Especially if you aren't a colonizer. Any plans to add some more generic missions? Perhaps having to do with the area/region system or development...

 

[DicRoNero]

It works like this:
Missions come in 3 varieties, ADM, MIL and DIP.
Normally the game will try to display one of each. If one category has no alternatives available to you it will display 2 or 3 of the same category rather than make the list shorter. Having just 2 missions available when there is a whole bunch of missions still valid in another category would be pretty frustrating after all.

Missions can be unavailable either because they don't fit you current situation or because they are blocked for some other reason. Reasons include if you already have the mission reward active (a timed modifier most of the time) and some missions are only ever available before you have completed them successfully once per game (these fill more of a tutorial function, the standard "get an alliance" mission is one of these). There are also some which cannot repeat unless a certain time has past since you last completed them (improve relations with elector is one of these, it cannot retrigger unless 20 years has past since you last completed it). The game will also not show the mission you had immediately before again unless you have another mission in between.
As there are a lot more military missions in the game than the other categories the chance of them running out is the lowest and that's why when multiple missions of the same type are displayed they are the most common.

In your case you get to pick from 2 MIL missions at the same time because there are either no ADM missions or no DIP missions for which you are eligible. They should not really be reducing your number of options as you only get two of them due to lack of other available missions.

Thank you for the reply.

I appreciate you trying to explain that, but the reason I ask is that I simply haven't had any HRE missions at all (it's 1493 now, and I've been the HR Emperor since 1480s). Obsiously, I also had an active period of struggling for the title, so it total that might have been almost 40 years of me being totally eligible for at least *something*. Hence one might suggest that missions are somehow skewed towards handing the player some "historical" ones first. That would make perfect sense in case of annexing Novgorod, but not so much later on.

However, if Muscovy here is treated the same way as others and me getting 2 pretty much the same missions at a time is just a stroke of bad luck, then OK.

 

[zezeb]

Got the same as Russia. Not that great when my only access to sea is in the Baltics and I do not even own a navy.

 

[Golladan]

There are also some which cannot repeat unless a certain time has past since you last completed them (improve relations with elector is one of these, it cannot retrigger unless 20 years has past since you last completed it).

You might want to check the scope of the flag check in the trigger.

I think there were some other relations missions that had a similar issue (I believe I reported it some months back).

 

[Ilightmaster]

Could you make more of them espacially for the late game ?