1.08 Bughunt

orimazd · Apr 23, 2009

MattyG said:
Oh

My

God

Orimazd is back.

It has been, what, two years since your last post on this forum?

I have to pop in once a year, but I feel guilty every time for my lack of substantial contribution to this mod.

And now you live in Saudi! I guess you didn't want to move there until after calipah left ...

Lived in Saudi America since Obama bowed to King Abdullah. Wassssalam, baby!

unmerged(15247) · Apr 23, 2009

by 1480 hungary has 2 shipyards; 1 in dalmatia and 1 in ragusa

MattyG · Apr 24, 2009

beregic said:
by 1480 hungary has 2 shipyards; 1 in dalmatia and 1 in ragusa

The event that grants it a shupyard only triggers if it does NOT own Ragusa.

However, if it were to capture Ragusa after this event fires, it would then get a second.

It's an ai event.

I think I''ll change the date on it to 1500.

unmerged(15247) · Apr 24, 2009

made a few runs post reformation with poland and genoa +chimu. in ALL cases the alternative has not triggered(having the alt ref. ON) in ANY form. i had the historical refomration in all cases(luther never came to throne).pope existed as well.
doubt that ai took option "b"'s in all cases...

unmerged(15247) · Apr 24, 2009

also for al-andalus . 4 rr REMAINS permament(in 8 main cores), and in the "the infidels defeated" if choose option b or c ANOTHER 6rr on top of that wich remains permanent as well, so a total of 10 PERMANENT rr if choose to gain cores on south france, otherwise 4 ANYWAY.

as i been saying before, why is it so hard to amend an event in 1480's or 90's with -10provincial rr(for those 8 cores) as a SAFE command!?!? i realy do not get it LOL, unless have forgatten maybe?

extra problem is that this event in the "iberia" file does not have the rr decreased ever after.

Code:

event = {
	id = 881991
	random = no
	country = CRD
	trigger = {
		NOT = { event = 881016 } #No crusade
		NOT = { event = 881805 } # crusade is over event # Christian victory events
		owned = { province = 444 data = -1 }
		owned = { province = 445 data = -1 }
		owned = { province = 443 data = -1 }
		owned = { province = 439 data = -1 }
		owned = { province = 438 data = -1 }
		owned = { province = 436 data = -1 }
		OR = {
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 440 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 441 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 442 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 434 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 435 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 440 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 441 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 442 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 435 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 440 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 441 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 442 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 434 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 440 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 441 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 442 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 429 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 442 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 440 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 434 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 435 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 442 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 440 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 429 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 427 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 434 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 440 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 429 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 430 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 440 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 429 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 430 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 428 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 429 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 431 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 432 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 433 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 434 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 435 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 430 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 431 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 432 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 435 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
			}
			countrysize = 11
		}
		OR = {
			event = 881814 #chistian loss events
			year = 1490
		}
		NOT = { vassal = { country = BAY country = CRD } }
		NOT = { vassal = { country = SAV country = CRD } }
		NOT = { vassal = { country = EIR country = CRD } }
		NOT = { vassal = { country = AUV country = CRD } }
		NOT = { vassal = { country = BRI country = CRD } }
		NOT = { vassal = { country = BUR country = CRD } }
		NOT = { vassal = { country = PAP country = CRD } }
		NOT = { vassal = { country = NAV country = CRD } }
		NOT = { vassal = { country = ASU country = CRD } }
		NOT = { vassal = { country = GEN country = CRD } }
	}
	name = "The Infidels Defeated"
	desc = "The crusaders have once more been repulsed by the will of Allah and the forces of the Sultan. Their lack of faith and poor training have seen them run from the battlefield before our men. We rejoice in a great victory for Allah."
	date = { year = 1450 }
	offset = 300
	deathdate = { year = 1491 }
	
	action_a = {
		name = "Let us complete the conquest of Iberia"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = vp value = 100 }
		command = { type = ai which = "Al-Andalus.ai" }
		command = { type = setflag which = early_explorer }
		command = { type = addcore which = 427 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 428 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 429 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 430 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 431 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 432 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 433 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 434 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 435 }
		command = { type = domestic which = offensive value = 1 }
		command = { type = DIP which = 1 value = 60 }
		command = { type = MIL which = 1 value = 60 }
		command = { type = ADM which = 1 value = 120 }
		command = { type = clrflag which = defendalandalus }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 881990 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 881992 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 429 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 430 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 437 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 438 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 439 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 440 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 441 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 442 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 443 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 444 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 445 value = 6 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Establish our frontiers in the East"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 425 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 426 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 427 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 428 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 429 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 430 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 431 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 432 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 433 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 434 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 435 }
		command = { type = badboy value = 3 }
		command = { type = domestic which = offensive value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = quality value = 1 }
		command = { type = vp value = 100 }
		command = { type = ai which = "Al-Andalus_france.ai" }
		command = { type = DIP which = 1 value = 120 }
		command = { type = MIL which = 1 value = 60 }
		command = { type = ADM which = 1 value = 60 }
		command = { type = clrflag which = defendalandalus }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 881990 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 881992 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 429 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 430 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 437 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 438 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 439 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 440 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 441 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 442 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 443 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 444 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 445 value = 6 }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "Take the battle forward to Firanja"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = vp value = 100 }
		command = { type = ai which = "Al-Andalus_france.ai" }
		command = { type = addcore which = 418 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 419 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 420 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 421 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 422 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 423 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 424 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 425 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 426 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 427 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 428 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 429 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 430 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 431 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 432 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 433 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 434 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 435 }
		command = { type = badboy value = 8 }
		command = { type = domestic which = offensive value = 2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = land value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = quality value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
		command = { type = DIP which = 1 value = 60 }
		command = { type = MIL which = 1 value = 120 }
		command = { type = ADM which = 1 value = 60 }
		command = { type = clrflag which = defendalandalus }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 881990 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 881992 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 429 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 430 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 437 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 438 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 439 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 440 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 441 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 442 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 443 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 444 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 445 value = 6 }
	}
}

MattyG · Apr 25, 2009

beregic said:
made a few runs post reformation with poland and genoa +chimu. in ALL cases the alternative has not triggered(having the alt ref. ON) in ANY form. i had the historical refomration in all cases(luther never came to throne).pope existed as well.
doubt that ai took option "b"'s in all cases...

It doesn't need to.

Here's how it works.

For each event, the ai gets 2-3 options. Each one is classed as Conservative, Moderate or Reform. The choice has a series of effects AND determines which version of the next event the Pope will get. If it chooses a conservative option, then the version of the next event will be the one where action_a is conservative. Hence, each choice tends mathematically to keep the papacy on a certain course. If suddenly the ai choose action_c (about 4% chance) then it heads off in this new direction.

As it gets closer to the critical point, the choices start to narrow to just 2: conservative or reform. And near the end choosing conservative options ends the whole affair.

In addition, other events con forestall the alternative agenda, such as the existence of Hussite Bohemia. If they are around, it cannot happen. So, it's more complicated than any other event sequence.

Which is not to say there isn't a bug. There may well be.

loki1232 · Apr 25, 2009

As Finland, the Assassination of Jaako event triggered twice, resulting in a nasty -6 stability.

MattyG · Apr 25, 2009

loki1232 said:
As Finland, the Assassination of Jaako event triggered twice, resulting in a nasty -6 stability.

Thanks.

Now fixed, sort of. the assassination now gives a -4 hit (which, maybe, is mild for the assassination of a monarch) and choosing Tapio of Finland (a key suspect) gives another -1). Ah, intrigue and murder, never great for stability.

MattyG · Apr 25, 2009

beregic said:

also for al-andalus . 4 rr REMAINS permament(in 8 main cores), and in the "the infidels defeated" if choose option b or c ANOTHER 6rr on top of that wich remains permanent as well, so a total of 10 PERMANENT rr if choose to gain cores on south france, otherwise 4 ANYWAY.

as i been saying before, why is it so hard to amend an event in 1480's or 90's with -10provincial rr(for those 8 cores) as a SAFE command!?!? i realy do not get it LOL, unless have forgatten maybe?

extra problem is that this event in the "iberia" file does not have the rr decreased ever after.

Code:

event = {
	id = 881991
	random = no
	country = CRD
	trigger = {
		NOT = { event = 881016 } #No crusade
		NOT = { event = 881805 } # crusade is over event # Christian victory events
		owned = { province = 444 data = -1 }
		owned = { province = 445 data = -1 }
		owned = { province = 443 data = -1 }
		owned = { province = 439 data = -1 }
		owned = { province = 438 data = -1 }
		owned = { province = 436 data = -1 }
		OR = {
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 440 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 441 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 442 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 434 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 435 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 440 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 441 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 442 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 435 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 440 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 441 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 442 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 434 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 440 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 441 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 442 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 429 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 442 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 440 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 434 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 435 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 442 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 440 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 429 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 427 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 434 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 440 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 429 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 430 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 440 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 429 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 430 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 428 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 429 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 431 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 432 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 433 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 434 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 435 data = -1 }
			}
			AND = {
				owned = { province = 430 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 431 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 432 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 435 data = -1 }
				owned = { province = 437 data = -1 }
			}
			countrysize = 11
		}
		OR = {
			event = 881814 #chistian loss events
			year = 1490
		}
		NOT = { vassal = { country = BAY country = CRD } }
		NOT = { vassal = { country = SAV country = CRD } }
		NOT = { vassal = { country = EIR country = CRD } }
		NOT = { vassal = { country = AUV country = CRD } }
		NOT = { vassal = { country = BRI country = CRD } }
		NOT = { vassal = { country = BUR country = CRD } }
		NOT = { vassal = { country = PAP country = CRD } }
		NOT = { vassal = { country = NAV country = CRD } }
		NOT = { vassal = { country = ASU country = CRD } }
		NOT = { vassal = { country = GEN country = CRD } }
	}
	name = "The Infidels Defeated"
	desc = "The crusaders have once more been repulsed by the will of Allah and the forces of the Sultan. Their lack of faith and poor training have seen them run from the battlefield before our men. We rejoice in a great victory for Allah."
	date = { year = 1450 }
	offset = 300
	deathdate = { year = 1491 }
	
	action_a = {
		name = "Let us complete the conquest of Iberia"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = vp value = 100 }
		command = { type = ai which = "Al-Andalus.ai" }
		command = { type = setflag which = early_explorer }
		command = { type = addcore which = 427 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 428 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 429 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 430 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 431 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 432 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 433 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 434 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 435 }
		command = { type = domestic which = offensive value = 1 }
		command = { type = DIP which = 1 value = 60 }
		command = { type = MIL which = 1 value = 60 }
		command = { type = ADM which = 1 value = 120 }
		command = { type = clrflag which = defendalandalus }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 881990 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 881992 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 429 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 430 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 437 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 438 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 439 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 440 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 441 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 442 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 443 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 444 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 445 value = 6 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Establish our frontiers in the East"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 425 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 426 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 427 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 428 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 429 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 430 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 431 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 432 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 433 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 434 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 435 }
		command = { type = badboy value = 3 }
		command = { type = domestic which = offensive value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = quality value = 1 }
		command = { type = vp value = 100 }
		command = { type = ai which = "Al-Andalus_france.ai" }
		command = { type = DIP which = 1 value = 120 }
		command = { type = MIL which = 1 value = 60 }
		command = { type = ADM which = 1 value = 60 }
		command = { type = clrflag which = defendalandalus }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 881990 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 881992 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 429 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 430 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 437 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 438 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 439 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 440 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 441 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 442 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 443 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 444 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 445 value = 6 }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "Take the battle forward to Firanja"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = vp value = 100 }
		command = { type = ai which = "Al-Andalus_france.ai" }
		command = { type = addcore which = 418 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 419 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 420 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 421 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 422 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 423 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 424 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 425 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 426 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 427 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 428 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 429 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 430 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 431 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 432 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 433 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 434 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 435 }
		command = { type = badboy value = 8 }
		command = { type = domestic which = offensive value = 2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = land value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = quality value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
		command = { type = DIP which = 1 value = 60 }
		command = { type = MIL which = 1 value = 120 }
		command = { type = ADM which = 1 value = 60 }
		command = { type = clrflag which = defendalandalus }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 881990 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 881992 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 429 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 430 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 437 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 438 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 439 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 440 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 441 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 442 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 443 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 444 value = 6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 445 value = 6 }
	}
}

The event you quote above is a resolution event.

You will have already received this event:

Code:

event = {
	id = 881031
	trigger = {	}
	random = no
	country = CRD
	name = "Al-Andalus Under Fire"
	desc = "Muslim Iberia had faced countless troubles and turning points in it's history - the great battles of Alarcos, Novas de Tolosa and Salado' all of which defined the current borders of Al-Andalus under the successive crowns that ruled. With Iberia engulfed in it's pitiful civil wars and aristocratic vendettas, Christendom's own political battles resulted in the Holy Roman Emperor taking on the banners of war by orders of the Pope - with the aspiration of ending Muslim Spain completely by the glory hymns of a 'Crusade'. The Sultan, in this hour of crises informed the House Majors and House Minors of the impending threat. Embassies were sent to Africa to gain the help of Morocco and Tlemscen and hasty reconciliations were concluded between the Noble Houses of Muslim Spain."

	action_a ={
		name = "Stop the infighting and send the messengers to Ifriqya!"
		command = { type = trigger which = 881032 } 
		command = { type = trigger which = 881033 } 
		command = { type = dynastic which = MOR }
		command = { type = dynastic which = NAF }
		command = { type = relation which = MOR value = 75 }
		command = { type = relation which = NAF value = 75 }
		command = { type = stability value = 2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = land value = 2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = quality value = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
		command = { type = manpower value = 30 }
		command = { type = inherit which = SEV }
		command = { type = ai which = "Al-Andalus_peaceful.ai" }
		command = { type = technology which = latin }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 200556 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 200557 }[B]
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 429 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 430 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 437 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 438 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 439 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 440 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 441 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 442 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 443 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 444 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 445 value = -6 }[/B]
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 120 value = -1 }
		command = { type = DIP which = 1 value = 120 }
		command = { type = MIL which = 1 value = 120 }
		command = { type = ADM which = -2 value = 120 }
		command = { type = cash value = 300 }
		command = { type = badboy value = -6 }
		command = { type = wakeleader which = 39021 }
		command = { type = setflag which = defendalandalus }
	}
}

These are both part of the Crusade sequence. The one above gives you lessened province RR (the country rallies against the infidels) and when the crusade is over (be it victory or defeat) the event you quoted is one of the variations that undo these province RR reductions. They are not themselves additions, but re-adjustments.

I cannot find any reference in the Crusade file to 4 points of province RR. There are additional events in the Al Andalus file that grant province RR, but as far as I can tell they are all balanced. Each event that grants has a corresponding event that undoes those values.

200555 (+6) is balanced first by 200556 (-2) and then by 200557 (-4)

200567 (+5) is balanced by 200569 (-5)

200598 (+4) is balanced by 200561 (-4)

412311 (+4) is balanced by 412331 (-4)

Let me know if you uncover a missing connection. If you have a savegave file where the values are permanent, send it to me so that I can check the event log/numbers and then the triggers.

unmerged(15247) · Apr 26, 2009

MattyG said:

The event you quote above is a resolution event.

You will have already received this event:

Code:

event = {
	id = 881031
	trigger = {	}
	random = no
	country = CRD
	name = "Al-Andalus Under Fire"
	desc = "Muslim Iberia had faced countless troubles and turning points in it's history - the great battles of Alarcos, Novas de Tolosa and Salado' all of which defined the current borders of Al-Andalus under the successive crowns that ruled. With Iberia engulfed in it's pitiful civil wars and aristocratic vendettas, Christendom's own political battles resulted in the Holy Roman Emperor taking on the banners of war by orders of the Pope - with the aspiration of ending Muslim Spain completely by the glory hymns of a 'Crusade'. The Sultan, in this hour of crises informed the House Majors and House Minors of the impending threat. Embassies were sent to Africa to gain the help of Morocco and Tlemscen and hasty reconciliations were concluded between the Noble Houses of Muslim Spain."

	action_a ={
		name = "Stop the infighting and send the messengers to Ifriqya!"
		command = { type = trigger which = 881032 } 
		command = { type = trigger which = 881033 } 
		command = { type = dynastic which = MOR }
		command = { type = dynastic which = NAF }
		command = { type = relation which = MOR value = 75 }
		command = { type = relation which = NAF value = 75 }
		command = { type = stability value = 2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = land value = 2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = quality value = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
		command = { type = manpower value = 30 }
		command = { type = inherit which = SEV }
		command = { type = ai which = "Al-Andalus_peaceful.ai" }
		command = { type = technology which = latin }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 200556 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 200557 }[B]
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 429 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 430 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 437 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 438 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 439 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 440 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 441 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 442 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 443 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 444 value = -6 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 445 value = -6 }[/B]
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 120 value = -1 }
		command = { type = DIP which = 1 value = 120 }
		command = { type = MIL which = 1 value = 120 }
		command = { type = ADM which = -2 value = 120 }
		command = { type = cash value = 300 }
		command = { type = badboy value = -6 }
		command = { type = wakeleader which = 39021 }
		command = { type = setflag which = defendalandalus }
	}
}

These are both part of the Crusade sequence. The one above gives you lessened province RR (the country rallies against the infidels) and when the crusade is over (be it victory or defeat) the event you quoted is one of the variations that undo these province RR reductions. They are not themselves additions, but re-adjustments.

I cannot find any reference in the Crusade file to 4 points of province RR. There are additional events in the Al Andalus file that grant province RR, but as far as I can tell they are all balanced. Each event that grants has a corresponding event that undoes those values.

200555 (+6) is balanced first by 200556 (-2) and then by 200557 (-4)

200567 (+5) is balanced by 200569 (-5)

200598 (+4) is balanced by 200561 (-4)

412311 (+4) is balanced by 412331 (-4)

Let me know if you uncover a missing connection. If you have a savegave file where the values are permanent, send it to me so that I can check the event log/numbers and then the triggers.

i forgat to add an important thing: i get 10rr when the crusade DOES NOT trigger (no "al andalus under fire" event)

ok this is VERYYYYYYYY annoying; whatever i do i remain with 10RR grrrrrr!

MattyG · Apr 26, 2009

beregic said:
i forgat to add an important thing: i get 10rr when the crusade DOES NOT trigger (no "al andalus under fire" event)

ok this is VERYYYYYYYY annoying; whatever i do i remain with 10RR grrrrrr!

OK, I will add additional trigger conditions. For the next version.

unmerged(15247) · May 5, 2009

recent small mp with the latest update, al andalus cot still dissipear in 1440's upon a reload even if none of the condition to do were met...

here is a case where the rules of the eu2 engine definately not designed to uphold certain commands or maybe "set flag"?( since it only happens in mp).

if u think u have found the reason why and adjusted give me a shot on messanger while having a 1440's save, so we can be sure this time it works, before assuming it does.

Monkii-sama · May 5, 2009

The COT reformed through event so it is back where it should be though. Still strange however.

unmerged(15247) · May 5, 2009

Monkii-sama said:
The COT reformed through event so it is back where it should be though. Still strange however.

you mean event retuned it, but that does not leave out the fact that this problem still happens= it has not been fixed but rather improvised.
and based on that outcome this issue can hamper further modding improvements.
need to know WHY this al andalus mp thingy (and not only) happens...

Monkii-sama · May 6, 2009

Yes of course it's still a problem but it's kinda weird for an event to trigger not soon after to give it back.

MattyG · May 9, 2009

In the latest 1.08 I added an event that gives AlAndalus a CoT if it does not have one. deliberate to replace the one the game keeps killing.

It is a most bizarre bug in the engine, that is perhaps linked to how the engine calculates whether a CoT is sufficiently active, or not.

unmerged(15247) · May 9, 2009

MattyG said:
It is a most bizarre bug in the engine, that is perhaps linked to how the engine calculates whether a CoT is sufficiently active, or not.

THAT makes sense with something else i noticed: this is the cot with the highest merchant rejection in europe until 1500's(sp play)

would be intreasting if ai gets ANY benefits from it. in short if the cot REALY "exists" in practical terms

MattyG · May 10, 2009

beregic said:
THAT makes sense with something else i noticed: this is the cot with the highest merchant rejection in europe until 1500's(sp play)

would be intreasting if ai gets ANY benefits from it. in short if the cot REALY "exists" in practical terms

beregic,

perhaps you could post your findings on the AGCEEP site in relation to the Source Code Team and their work. Perhaps they could look into it and why, for example, even for the owner of the CoT in Guantanamo (the Maya) the cost for placing a merchant is so inceredibly high. Both things need to be 'fixed'.

Slavick3000 · May 11, 2009

Could it have something to do with the number of CoTs around? If most nations are successful in their CoT-producing event chains, you could end up with 9 or more CoTs in Europe, which might confuse the engine or tell it to start closing CoTs that are in close proximity to others (though in that case, you would expect Sicily or Flanders to go first...)

MattyG · May 11, 2009

Slavick3000 said:
Could it have something to do with the number of CoTs around? If most nations are successful in their CoT-producing event chains, you could end up with 9 or more CoTs in Europe, which might confuse the engine or tell it to start closing CoTs that are in close proximity to others (though in that case, you would expect Sicily or Flanders to go first...)

We actually reduced the number by 1 a few builds ago, and the CoT in Al-Andalus has been part of the mod since inception, so that option seems unlikely, as it would have shown up before now.

The CoTs are:

Liguria
Mecklenburg
Bugogne
Toledo
Novgorod
Constantinople
Flandern

Then there's Baghdad, which is in Europe, too.

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