1.08 Beta6

[Mr_B0narpte]

If it is totally undefended it can hardly be that much of a problem.

Yeah, I guess I'm thinking from a multi-player point of view but it's not very significant anyway. And about Finland not properly defending the airfield Oulu, it doesn't really matter considering Finland doesn't have an airforce in the 1936 scenario (even if it had existed IRL from 1918).

 

[Pang Bingxun]

Yeah, I guess I'm thinking from a multi-player point of view but it's not very significant anyway. And about Finland not properly defending the airfield Oulu, it doesn't really matter considering Finland doesn't have an airforce in the 1936 scenario (even if it had existed IRL from 1918).

The Problem with the airfield is that finnland cannot utilize its 20 divisions once IC, TC and ESE are bombed down to nothing. This could have been prevented easily.

 

[Mr_B0narpte]

The Problem with the airfield is that finnland cannot utilize its 20 divisions once IC, TC and ESE are bombed down to nothing. This could have been prevented easily.

What could also prevent it is giving Finland an airforce in 1936 as it historically did have one at the time.

 

[Pioniere]

I reduced the amount of Exp forces to GER, therefore more forces are kept in Spain and it is better defended than before. At the moment i donnot see how it can be improved further.

The problem is after the civil war N.Spain just places all there force to the north west and do little else even if it is in the Axis or a German puppet.

 

[Pang Bingxun]

What could also prevent it is giving Finland an airforce in 1936 as it historically did have one at the time.

This will hardly help. A simple but effective solution is to give them Vardö. They will then use this place to garrision their divisions.

The problem is after the civil war N.Spain just places all there force to the north west and do little else even if it is in the Axis or a German puppet.

Imo this has to wait till 109.

 

[Mr_B0narpte]

Giving Finland an airforce is a simple solution and is also much more historical and helps gameplay.

 

[Pang Bingxun]

It would do some help against soviet CAS, but against US STR? I doubt that. The problem is that there is no attemp to defend the north.

 

[Mr_B0narpte]

It would do some help against soviet CAS, but against US STR? I doubt that. The problem is that there is no attemp to defend the north.

I don't see any reason why Finland shouldn't be given the airforce it historically had in real life. In fact it has one of the oldest airforces in the world. :blink: I seriously doubt US would capture Oulu...

 

[Pang Bingxun]

Usually it is the UK that does invade Norway and advances futher into finnland untill it is annexed by the UK. The USA only support with some STR. I donnot say that finnland should have no airforce, but it will do little help.

 

[Pioniere]

Is it possible to add locked garrison on island shores for UK in 1938,39 and 41?

What about an UK-AL event that gives it a few land units if UK is invaded by an enemy between 1939-46

 

[Mr_B0narpte]

Usually it is the UK that does invade Norway and advances futher into finnland untill it is annexed by the UK. The USA only support with some STR. I donnot say that finnland should have no airforce, but it will do little help.

If Finland is annexed by the UK then surely that suggests Finland is under-powered rather then a problem with Finland distributing its forces?

 

[Pang Bingxun]

Is it possible to add locked garrison on island shores for UK in 1938,39 and 41?

It is possible, but imo it is not worth the effort. The scenarios after 1936 require a lot of work. Unless a huge amount of manhours is available concentrating on 1936 is the better choice.

What about an UK-AL event that gives it a few land units if UK is invaded by an enemy between 1939-46

I would like to reduce skripting, especially skripting in favour of the ai, to a minimum.

If Finland is annexed by the UK then surely that suggests Finland is under-powered rather then a problem with Finland distributing its forces?

If a country of 20 divisions is beaten by ~5 divisions than it is a poblem of not using those 20 divisions. Thanks to german blueprints and the free markets finnland has those 20 Infs were uptodate. I donnot know how likely this scenario is but i have seen it more than once.

 

[vitality]

According to Swedish wikipedia. There were Wehrmacht forces in Finnmark at the time and they evacuated the locals due to Soviet air operations.

With this in mind I would still suggest that you make the connection between Northern Norway and Finland impassable. Or reduce the infrastructure to 0, or perhaps 5. Conducting division sized operations, and maintaining sufficient supply lines for a large scale invasion from the North Sea into Finland seems insane considering the terrain and the climate up there.

 

[Mr_B0narpte]

If a country of 20 divisions is beaten by ~5 divisions than it is a poblem of not using those 20 divisions. Thanks to german blueprints and the free markets finnland has those 20 Infs were uptodate. I donnot know how likely this scenario is but i have seen it more than once.

Ah ok, I didn't know the situation, that is pretty poor for the Finland AI.

According to Swedish wikipedia. There were Wehrmacht forces in Finnmark at the time and they evacuated the locals due to Soviet air operations.

With this in mind I would still suggest that you make the connection between Northern Norway and Finland impassable. Or reduce the infrastructure to 0, or perhaps 5. Conducting division sized operations, and maintaining sufficient supply lines for a large scale invasion from the North Sea into Finland seems insane considering the terrain and the climate up there.

I'd like this to be implemented aswell, preferably making it impassable. This probably has little effect on single-player but could have a significant impact on multiplayer. But either way, if its historical that's enough justification alone.

 

[Pang Bingxun]

With this in mind I would still suggest that you make the connection between Northern Norway and Finland impassable. Or reduce the infrastructure to 0, or perhaps 5. Conducting division sized operations, and maintaining sufficient supply lines for a large scale invasion from the North Sea into Finland seems insane considering the terrain and the climate up there.

Reducing infra will hardly have an effect as those provinces are at the coast. Making it impassable seems an option for 109.

 

[Mr_B0narpte]

Reducing infra will hardly have an effect as those provinces are at the coast. Making it impassable seems an option for 109.

128;129;Impassable;0;Hammerfest-Vardö
128;130;Impassable;0;Hammerfest-Rovaniemi

Should I include Kiruna? Should Vardö only be passable to Hammerfest or not at all or completely open?

 

[Pioniere]

Finnmark was not just evacuated it was also burned scorched earth tactic.

 

[Mr_B0narpte]

Finnmark was not just evacuated it was also burned scorched earth tactic.

Indeed, but as Pang said:

Reducing infra will hardly have an effect as those provinces are at the coast

Unless they plan to overhaul the logistics system then making the terrain impassable seems the best option.

 

[Pioniere]

Argentina can have the Falklands islands as a goal if they are at war with UK and especially if they are in the Axis. Something for 1,9

Hmm Portugal no longer interested to be in Axis?

They where relatively easy to get in before. A trigger Portugal to get into the Axis should London controlled by Germany and Spain is an Axis partner.

 

[Mr_B0narpte]

Argentina can have the Falklands islands as a goal if they are at war with UK and especially if they are in the Axis. Something for 1,9

Does Argentina make or have transport ships though?

Hmm Portugal no longer interested to be in Axis?
They where relatively easy to get in before. A trigger Portugal to get into the Axis should London controlled by Germany and Spain is an Axis partner.

That would be nice. Also, IMO, Vichy France should ask to join the Axis if the entire British Isles has fallen.