1.08, 1.09 and Civil Wars

[unmerged(24903)]

Maybe, it's just me, but I'm thinking 1.09 has just gone too far with civil wars. I was just started up a GC game, playing England under Hard difficulty, and around 1460+, with Edward IV (right # there?), and a badboy of just over 20 (and theoretically a badboy threshold of ~35), I was getting civil wars left and right! Now that's no fun at all!

IIRC, last time I picked up EU II, I was playing under 1.08b, but can someone tell me what the last solid patch for 1.08 was? And most importantly, is there a location where I can find old patch versions?

Also, if there are any old version connoisseurs out there, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that some people prefer versions even older than 1.08, so I'd be interested in hearing opinions on any of the older versions.

TIA,

Kirk

 

[Waffen9999]

In my France game, I've just seen the Ottoman Empire suffer two civil wars in the span of 6 years. It has literally self imploded on itself. I saw about 10 nations declare independance and about 15 provinces defect. It's still huge and I shudder to think how big it was before the civil unrest came knocking.

 

[unmerged(24903)]

Well, I found old patches on Filefront (which I found from Google - guess I should've done that right off). Now I've got 1.07, 1.08, 1.08b & 1.09 patches all sitting on my hard drive - guess I'm going to be playing 1.08b from here, but I'd still be interested in hearing other's opinions on which version is most reasonable w/r to civil wars.

 

[wryun]

I've only had trouble with Civil Wars if I'm over the BB limit. When you say left and right, did you just get an unlucky streak of 2 or 3? Or...

(and remember, keep high stab = never get civil wars)

 

[labalag]

WEll, last friday I got a CW as the OE in a MP-game. My bb was rather low (well below 10) but my centralization was low and I just got an event lowering my stab...

 

[DSYoungEsq]

There is, so far as I know, no change for the worse in Civil Wars from the last 1.08b version to 1.09. You'd have to go back to 1.08 to avoid the changes Johan made to try and force people to maintain a higher stability.

I've yet to have one hit me in MP, even at low stab and high BB. I guess I'm just lucky!

 

[unmerged(24903)]

There is, so far as I know, no change for the worse in Civil Wars from the last 1.08b version to 1.09.

Well, it's true that I haven't done anything like a conclusive test. That said, I know something different is going on here - but I probably have changed my strategies a bit, as well as changing versions, so it's hard to say what's what. Specifically, I am probably starting out playing England with a lower centralization than I have previously (only in the early years, I'll max it out later on, but I wanted to take full advantage of events).

You'd have to go back to 1.08 to avoid the changes Johan made to try and force people to maintain a higher stability.

So, the biggest changes to civil war frequency were introduced with one of the 1.08 betas?

 

[unmerged(24903)]

I've only had trouble with Civil Wars if I'm over the BB limit. When you say left and right, did you just get an unlucky streak of 2 or 3? Or...

I'm saying 5+, that's after file reload from the same point (in the early 1460's), and getting a civil war w/in 2 yrs after that.

The one thing that I'm doing differently than I have in previous games, is to let my centralization stay low for a long while. Previously I pushed that up early on, now I'm trying out letting events max out centralization.

(and remember, keep high stab = never get civil wars)

True, but that can be problematic for England in the 1400's.

 

[DSYoungEsq]

So, the biggest changes to civil war frequency were introduced with one of the 1.08 betas?

Yes.