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The retinue system does indeed change dynamics of the game a lot. Having a large territory and good tech levels Romans can have a nice big stack of imperial troops.

On the other hand Byzantium is not very stable from political point of view. Succession is disputed more often then not, and thus muslim holy wars have pretty good chance of success. Even more so once imerial retinue becomes an economical black hole - they eat all the money and cripple levies by "lack of finances".
Bonus points are awarded to AI that decides to hire mercenaries without a proper stable income (they loot few provinces, hire mercs, run out of money, mercs join enemy or start mercenary invasion...).
 

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It's about 50/50 in my games so far. (played 6), in 1 of them, the Byzantine empire no longer exists, instead several smaller duchies have replaced them, and muslims are everywhere. 2 others, the Empire lingers on, but the Fatimids have overrun Greece and Anatolia. 3 others, they lost some land, but regained some elsewhere. (I think I might remove Southern Italy/Croatia, Bulgaria and Wallachia from the De jure byzantine empire through modding)
 

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Countries were almost never balanced... there were empires on one side, and cannon fodder on the other... before you select ERE, it says difficulty very easy, what is the point?
So, do not play it if you need a challenge... Personally, I like to try starting with an empire from time to time. Would you rather Duklja was able to capture Constantinople? Have not had time to play since DLC came out (apart from 12 years with ERE), so no idea on what results are, but is an ALTERNATE history once you click start. What is the point in playing otherwise.
 

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The retinue system does indeed change dynamics of the game a lot. Having a large territory and good tech levels Romans can have a nice big stack of imperial troops.

On the other hand Byzantium is not very stable from political point of view. Succession is disputed more often then not, and thus muslim holy wars have pretty good chance of success. Even more so once imerial retinue becomes an economical black hole - they eat all the money and cripple levies by "lack of finances".
Bonus points are awarded to AI that decides to hire mercenaries without a proper stable income (they loot few provinces, hire mercs, run out of money, mercs join enemy or start mercenary invasion...).

Sounds like Real life Byzantine politics.
 

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On the other hand Byzantium is not very stable from political point of view

this is why i disagree that they are overpowered, the computer made the Roman Empire (minuses one or two duchies i didn't want Venice to loose, as they had impressed me) the empire survived with me as a ally for a long time, but they are falling back, to internal disputes and Venice, for awhile the Muslims where causing problems for them but that ended for the most part.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=104499966&insideModal=1&showComments=0
 

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North African Sausages. That me me chuckle heartily.

That is full of so much Falafel I don't know where to start... oh... erm...
 

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It's not true! In my last 1.07 game with "Abbadid" dinasty (Sevilla), for first time I see the Byzantine Empire ending in 1200. Never happening for me.
Now Anatolia and Greece is divided into very little arabic emirates.
 

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Wow that's the biggest Venice I've ever seen. How did that happen?

the HRE collapsed after 4 kingdoms and half a dozens major and miner dukes went independent. a few years later i noticed Venice making starting its conquests. I have helped them where I can :) they have continued and own about 60% or so of Italy now. The Serine Warrior Doges of Venice are a fierce people :)
 

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More often than not, both pre and post hot-fix I see the Fatimids invade Greece early on, conquering all of it by around 1080ish. Only once have I seen the Byzantines survive the Seljuks, not get conquered by the Fatimids, and manage to start eating Croatia and Pechengs. And then they started having internal squabbles.