1.07 made Byzantine overpowered

[Avisian]

With the new patch the Byz will almost certainly lose the first war against the Seljuic, then eat the whole of Croatia, Cerbia, Pecheneg and Cuman due to the protection of no-Jihad rule. The end result is an unstoppable juggernaut that has the most land and the best tech in the world. Ive yet to see how they will fair against the mongols, but currently they can field over 40k army and it's only 1180...

 

[NezzeOne]

With the new patch the Byz will almost certainly lose the first war against the Seljuic, then eat the whole of Croatia, Cerbia, Pecheneg and Cuman due to the protection of no-Jihad rule. The end result is an unstoppable juggernaut that has the most land and the best tech in the world. Ive yet to see how they will fair against the mongols, but currently they can field over 40k army and it's only 1180...

They'll lose to the Mongols, no doubt.

1.07 made the Mongols into an unstoppable monstrosity.

 

[stars2heaven]

In my second game as a vassal of the Byzantine emperor the empire was destroyed within the first 10 years of the game after the Fatimid invaded Greece. In my first game as a vassal they weren't completely destroyed, but lost nearly everything. I dunno, seems to me the only time the empire does well is when I control it. I set a game to observe the other day and let it run and it only managed to reclaim it's de jure counties by the end of the game

 

[siis]

In my second game as a vassal of the Byzantine emperor the empire was destroyed within the first 10 years of the game after the Fatimid invaded Greece. In my first game as a vassal they weren't completely destroyed, but lost nearly everything. I dunno, seems to me the only time the empire does well is when I control it. I set a game to observe the other day and let it run and it only managed to reclaim it's de jure counties by the end of the game

latest patch 1.07b changed invasion for muslims

 

[stars2heaven]

latest patch 1.07b changed invasion for muslims

I see. I guess it's safe to play them again.

 

[Yxklyx]

I started playing with 1.07 about halfway in my game.

I'm in Hungary/Croatia so Byzantine was looking eastwards most of the game and holding steady after losing Anatolia. After the patch though, they've started conquering parts of Italy (they control Rome), parts of Jerusalem, recaptured most of Anatolia and are advancing East into Arabia.

 

[drususnero]

But you started a 1066 game.

I think after 1076 there is no "owerpowerness" for the Byzantines.

I am a little bit irritated about the muslims: In the east they accept my "liberation" of Asia minor, Armenia and Syria without declare war on me. I conquer, I have civil wars but the Muslims are full of lethargy and do nothing.
But in the West the Muslims overun Spain (that is o.k.) and France (unbelivable that north african sausages can conquer France). That is overpowered!

 

[theKing1988]

But you started a 1066 game.

I think after 1076 there is no "owerpowerness" for the Byzantines.

I am a little bit irritated about the muslims: In the east they accept my "liberation" of Asia minor, Armenia and Syria without declare war on me. I conquer, I have civil wars but the Muslims are full of lethargy and do nothing.
But in the West the Muslims overun Spain (that is o.k.) and France (unbelivable that north african sausages can conquer France). That is overpowered!

Indeed if you start later than the earliest possible date, some of us still do that for the challenges that pose, the Byzzies are far from overpowered. Sure you can stage a comeback if you play them YOURSELF, of course you can. But if you leave them alone, and play with a character from another realm, they seldomly blob uncontrollably.

 

[Shadowhope]

In the last four games I've started, the Byzantine Empire has been completely eliminated by 1080. They get rolled in their initial war, the Fatamids then invade Greece and that's it. All four games I've been in the Byzantine Empire, and all four I've gotten game over by 1100 as my last holding falls to someone.

Five games ago, they somehow acquired part of Sicily before their horrible, horrible death to Islam, and I was able to take over the remnant of the Byzantine Empire from my seat in Wales and then use the free CB to take over the rest of Britain.

 

[Frozen_Predator]

In all my LoR games where I didn't controll them they did pretty well, usually losing Armenia but gaining in Italy and Syria

 

[Sopot]

Started a 1.07b game and the fatmids are invading bavaria right after invading croatia. Greece got invaded very early and Byz was wiped out, so I dunno how powerful the Byz are in the hands of the AI.

 

[murlocmancer]

WAIT WAIT WAIT. The patch only stopped Jihads I thought not invades???

 

[Shadowhope]

Why would the AI need Jihads when invasions have gotten them the Byzantine Empire, Sicily, and Hungary in my current game? In 1101.

 

[Ivashanko]

But in the West the Muslims overun Spain (that is o.k.) and France (unbelivable that north african sausages can conquer France). That is overpowered!

North African Sausages. That me me chuckle heartily.

 

[ZechsMerquise73]

latest patch 1.07b changed invasion for muslims

No it didn't. it changed jihads.

 

[BonSequitur]

In my current game, the empire basically ate itself from within and got overrun by the fatimids, which took over greece. All of the de jure kingdom of greece provinces, including Constantinople.

 

[BigHamster]

I played 4 games so far at 1.07b. Half of games ended in byz destroyed in 40 years by triple invasion. In other half of them Byz got whole Croatia, half of Syria and half of Mesopotamia, besides regaining Armenia which was lost during initial war.

 

[Acularius]

With the new patch the Byz will almost certainly lose the first war against the Seljuic, then eat the whole of Croatia, Cerbia, Pecheneg and Cuman due to the protection of no-Jihad rule. The end result is an unstoppable juggernaut that has the most land and the best tech in the world. Ive yet to see how they will fair against the mongols, but currently they can field over 40k army and it's only 1180...

Wait until the Mongols come with their 250k stacks that take no attrtion.

If that doesn't make you sweat as the ERE, it definitely made me sweat as the newly reformed Roman Empire in my game.

 

[Yxklyx]

I played 4 games so far at 1.07b. Half of games ended in byz destroyed in 40 years by triple invasion. In other half of them Byz got whole Croatia, half of Syria and half of Mesopotamia, besides regaining Armenia which was lost during initial war.

How can you have played 4 games at 1.07b already?! It takes me a couple of weeks to finish one game.

 

[telegraph]

I do not know. in my games (I play as western dukes, but I do have the DLCs) Byzanties are always badly beaten. One time, as a King o England, I received a proposal from Pope to join Crusade for Italy and to get my excommunication lifted. I watched what happened there and seen that Byzantium is in Russia, Emperor is Rurickovich and whole greece, italy and asia minor is under muslim rule...