1.07 badboy guide 0.05

[kurtbrian]

Declaration of War

Dow same cb:
1

Dow same nocb:
4

Dow other cb:
1

Dow other nocb:
4

Dow Pagan:
0

Dow truce:
0(!)

Dow with very good reltions:
0

Dow vassal:
0

Dishonouring your alliance:
0


Peace deals

Gaining a 'shield' province in a peace deal:
0

Gaining a province in an offensive war:
2

Gaining a province in a defensive war:
1

Force-annex a country of same Religious group:*
6

Force annex a country of different religious group:*
3

Force annex a pagan country:
0

Force religion change:**
0

Force Vassalizing:
0


Misc

Change Religion peacefully:
1

Hiring Privateer:
1, but there is only a 10% chance of getting the increase

Diplo annex a country:
1,per province including colonies and trade posts

Inheriting a country:
0,25, per province including colonies and trade posts

Losing Badboy points

Losing a province in a peace deal:
1, except with pagans

Province defecting:
1

Province declaring independance:
1

Badboy will also decrease after a certain amount of time dependant on your monarchs diplomatic skill.
( I haven't worked out that bit yet, everyone feel free to do so )


Badboy Cutoff factor( where the badboy wars kick in, only on very hard)

[color=white] Diplo skill  badboycuyofff
   11         41
   10         40
   9          39
   8          38
   7          37
   6          36
   5          35
   4          34
   3          33
   2          32
   1          31
[/color]

*: christians, moslems etc.
**: only possible inside the moslem religous group and the christian religious group except orthodox.

 

[kurtbrian]

comments anyone?

 

[unmerged(15394)]

DoW on a truce is 0.

I think historically this would have been one of the biggest eye openers for all your neighbours.

 

[unmerged(12740)]

yes, thank you.

 

[unmerged(2833)]

BB cutoff changes with time. The earlier the lower.

 

[unmerged(15967)]

the decrease is dip/240 per month.

 

[Sute]{h]

I would like to know if BB-wars can trigger due to a monarch change. For example: Spain has a monarch with DIP 6 and 35 BB-point, then they receive a new monarch that only has DIP 4. Does this trigger a BB-war? If so I would like this changed in an upcoming patch so that a BB-war will only kick in if one receives an extra BB-point after hitting the max number. That way BB-wars won't happen due to change of monarchs which is out of the players control.

 

[Owen]

Originally posted by Sute]{h
I would like to know if BB-wars can trigger due to a monarch change. For example: Spain has a monarch with DIP 6 and 35 BB-point, then they receive a new monarch that only has DIP 4. Does this trigger a BB-war? If so I would like this changed in an upcoming patch so that a BB-war will only kick in if one receives an extra BB-point after hitting the max number. That way BB-wars won't happen due to change of monarchs which is out of the players control.

When this first came out, Johan said that it was intended that this could happen.

 

[Owen]

What else?

Ah yes.

1. I'm pretty sure force annex different religion came back down to 2BB. So it said in the bug forum a week or two ago. Maybe it is 2BB + 1BB for the province or summat.
2. Doesn't the edict of tolerance make a difference for protestants and catholics as to whether they count as different religion or not?

 

[unmerged(15967)]

Seems the theshold follows this formula:

bb_theshold = 30 + dip + x

x increases by 1 every 20 years.

 

[Sute]{h]

Originally posted by Owen
When this first came out, Johan said that it was intended that this could happen.

Hmm... I don't think I like this, but on the other hand it will prevent people from calculating exactly how many BB-point they can collect. Will give it a try.

 

[unmerged(15394)]

Originally posted by Sute]{h
Hmm... I don't think I like this, but on the other hand it will prevent people from calculating exactly how many BB-point they can collect. Will give it a try.

I kind of like the idea of BB wars hitting with a monarch change. Simulates neighbouring countries taking advantage of the weak leadership.

 

[unmerged(10416)]

Yeah. I hate it when games like this one make you count points and exactly calculate on what month people can declare war. If there is any one thing that history isn't , it's predictable. (No, Marx, there is no predictability, and there never was. )

Not only monarch changes but also scandal at the court, temporary insanity and other random events can lower your BB threshold. A very good effect. There should be more randomness in the game. Randomness brings a risk to being daring.

 

[swilhelm73]

I think this should go up in the FAQ section...good work Kurt!

 

[unmerged(10355)]

Does declaring war on a pagan country and taking provinces from them still give you BB points if you're not a European country? It did in 1.05, even though the FAQ then said that it didn't. Non-Europeans could still annex multi-province pagans, but that was a lot of BB points.

Does the rate of BB decrease still depend on the skill level?

 

[unmerged(4868)]

Originally posted by Quizzical
Does declaring war on a pagan country and taking provinces from them still give you BB points if you're not a European country? It did in 1.05, even though the FAQ then said that it didn't. Non-Europeans could still annex multi-province pagans, but that was a lot of BB points.

Does the rate of BB decrease still depend on the skill level?

Good work Kurt! But I have one question:

What is defined as an "offensive war" or "defensive war"???

I never ever knew that the game distinguished between an offender and a defender nation. This is so confusing when there are Alliance Wars going on. If I respond to my ally's call to battle, then I must "declare war" on the enemy. Does this make me an offender or a defender????

Confused.

 

[unmerged(10355)]

I'm confused, too. Why did you just quote me?

 

[UtahJazz]

Kudos Kurtbrian! Appreciate your research!

 

[unmerged(9563)]

Good job, but (this has nothing to do with you), I think that same religion should mean strictly same religion, not group. After Edict of Tolerance, all Christians. After all, if the 2 Moslems hate each other enough to get perma CB's on each other, but they get 6 bb if they annex the heretics?

 

[Cagliostro]

"Forced Religion Change"

I think anyone can convert a pagan - I tinkered with the game stats and made Lenape Hindu and gave them a 99% war score with the Iroquois, and I was able to select conversion as an option. So it isn't strictly limited to Christians and Moslems.