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[Vanhal]

Well,there's a difference between Thalmors and Altmers.The Thalmor's more or like the Nazi government of Germany and all their cronies while the Altmer's more like the German race.Just as there are a lot of German Americans,there's also a lot of Altmers who are imperial citizens living in the mainland of Tamriel.The Dovahkiin,even when he/she's an Altmer,is described to be an imperial citizen living on the mainland.You don't get the option to declare that you are actually from the Summerset Isles.

Altmer being catched while illegally crossing border. Conveniently meets Ulfric Stormcloak. Totally not suspicious. No wonder imperials just decided to execute everyone. After that he runs from Helgen with Ralof, known Stormcloak. It don't even require much paranoia to connect the dots. Just that Tullius apparently didn't read the wiki and hence didn't know this was typical Elder Scrolls protagonist coincidence and the Dovahkiin is totally innocent. What he do know is that the Thalmor are masters of deceit and he is convinced that their undercover work in Skyrim is extensive and they are supporting Stormcloaks, however indirect it may be. Furthermore, he is probably right.
And about Thalmor and Altmer. Not every Altmer is Thalmor, but at least in Skyrim every Thalmor is an Altmer. At least official Thalmor, i somehow don't believe they haven't got agents among all other races.

 

[Arakhor]

As of the 5th era, the Thalmor, or Altmer for that matter, no longer exist.

What? Is that more weird stuff from Michael Kirkbride?

 

[Novacat]

What? Is that more weird stuff from Michael Kirkbride?

Everything written on the future of Elder Scrolls, from the Thalmor winning to the Altmer, yes, no longer existing, is 'wierd stuff' from Michael Kirkbride, yes.

 

[Tragliano]

"wins" is a very loaded word. As of the 5th era, the Thalmor, or Altmer for that matter, no longer exist.

That was their goal. To unleash the Dragon, to destroy Time as it was bound to be by myth of man. Idea of Man was erased with Numidium Returned, Altmer were anticreated seconds after - and they were unleashed. They came back to primordial state of being, while their Dunmer and Khajiit cousins fled to the Moon, witnessing only destruction of what was Nirn - Gears of Memory, Child of Sil. Thalmor won in the end - Man was erased, Dragon was unbound, Lorkhan lost.

 

[Arakhor]

The chances of that happening in canon (half the races missing at the very least) is minimal, to say the least.

 

[Novacat]

That was their goal. To unleash the Dragon, to destroy Time as it was bound to be by myth of man. Idea of Man was erased with Numidium Returned, Altmer were anticreated seconds after - and they were unleashed. They came back to primordial state of being, while their Dunmer and Khajiit cousins fled to the Moon, witnessing only destruction of what was Nirn - Gears of Memory, Child of Sil. Thalmor won in the end - Man was erased, Dragon was unbound, Lorkhan lost.

The Thalmor (and Altmer as a whole) were destroyed by Numidium, through Ancestroscythe.

 

[DarkReborn]

The Thalmor (and Altmer as a whole) were destroyed by Numidium, through Ancestroscythe.

So Landfall is canon-canon now? Or just "sort of" canon?

Because it is VERY trippy stuff. I guess that sums up MK's writing style.

 

[Tragliano]

The chances of that happening in canon (half the races missing at the very least) is minimal, to say the least.

Like if canon made by Toddler was so important.

The Thalmor (and Altmer as a whole) were destroyed by Numidium, through Ancestroscythe.

It actually depends on how you understand that destruction. Going upwards in degradation of creation levels is what Altmer (Thalmor) were going for - to escape fate vowen by their acestors, to ascend to primordial, unbound by time state of being - to kill Man is to reach Heaven. I believe they won - as MK said himself.

 

[Novacat]

So Landfall is canon-canon now? Or just "sort of" canon?

Because it is VERY trippy stuff. I guess that sums up MK's writing style.

"sort of" canon.

It actually depends on how you understand that destruction. Going upwards in degradation of creation levels is what Altmer (Thalmor) were going for - to escape fate vowen by their acestors, to ascend to primordial, unbound by time state of being - to kill Man is to reach Heaven. I believe they won - as MK said himself.

They were erased, zero-summed, 'NO' out of existance by Numidium.

 

[Tragliano]

They were erased, zero-summed, 'NO' out of existance by Numidium.

Zero-summing refers to realization (enlightenment) that you are part of the Godhead and everything is you and you are everything - in light of that fact you're unable to retain yourself so you zero-sum. Opposite of that is Royalty, CHIM. What Numidium did to the Altmer was certainly not zero-summing them by force - they were erased from the creation, but I believe that through that they achieved their goal of returning to the original et'Ada state. Not to mention they also succeeded in erasing idea of Man from the mythic...

 

[Unuson]

The chances of that happening in canon (half the races missing at the very least) is minimal, to say the least.

At least any new game in the series will involve moon cats and blue people, the only playable races in the moon colonization grand strategy title. Either that, or turn into a racing game in post-apocalyptic Nirn.

 

[darthfanta]

Not anymore. I removed that a few patches back. While mixed culture/graphical culture is still possible, it can only happen within the same culture group.



"wins" is a very loaded word. As of the 5th era, the Thalmor, or Altmer for that matter, no longer exist.

What's this talk of a 5th era?

 

[Orinsul]

So Landfall is canon-canon now? Or just "sort of" canon?

Because it is VERY trippy stuff. I guess that sums up MK's writing style.

It might be the apocalypse you have to stop in a future game? As the dragons or oblivion invasion were in the last two. Well you know, a very very first draft of it anyway.

 

[Unuson]

What's this talk of a 5th era?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/General:Unofficial_Lore

 

[Unuson]

It might be the apocalypse you have to stop in a future game? As the dragons or oblivion invasion were in the last two. Well you know, a very very first draft of it anyway.

That's also likely, since that has been used as a deus ex machina in several points of TES lore. However, I don't think Kirkbride (the author of Landfall events) has that much influence over the series now, since he is not affiliated with Bethesda anymore, or at least not as much since Morrowind. Lore for major franchises is known to have many branch points, such as Star Wars for instance, where multiple writers take different non-canon applications to a series.

 

[Onebitsoul]

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/General:Unofficial_Lore

Says here that everything that's not in the games is non-canon (except for the few books).

Thank God for that. I'd hate to play on Secunda and/or Masser as a Dunmer. Khajiit would be okay though.

"Only things that have been published in Elder Scrolls games should be considered official lore".

 

[Tragliano]

You are such a narrow-thinker Mr. Onebitsoul. Shame on you.

And of course UESP crap is somewhat legit. Yeah.

Embrace the c0da.

 

[Korbah]

You are such a narrow-thinker Mr. Onebitsoul. Shame on you.

And of course UESP crap is somewhat legit. Yeah.

Embrace the c0da.

The interview actually happened; anything not published through Zenimax isn't official canon, but that doesn't mean we can't use some things from "unofficial canon", we're unofficial canon on the same level as MK after all, a fan production

Spoiler

 

[Tragliano]

What does that mean canon in the end? MK invented the Thalmor, White-Gold Concordat, Many-Headed Talos, Mysterium Xarxes, Knights of the Nine. More and more you delve into TES lore more and more what you call official and unofficial blends. It's impossible to distinguish them from each other - you reach 2nd Pocket Guide to the Empire and you don't know what's canon anymore - not more that it's unnecessary burden. Embrace the c0da.

 

[Onebitsoul]

You are such a narrow-thinker Mr. Onebitsoul. Shame on you.

And of course UESP crap is somewhat legit. Yeah.

Embrace the c0da.

As Korbah said, this was said by the game director and marketing head in an interview. So it's not UESP crap, it's 100% legitimate.

What does that mean canon in the end? MK invented the Thalmor, White-Gold Concordat, Many-Headed Talos, Mysterium Xarxes, Knights of the Nine. More and more you delve into TES lore more and more what you call official and unofficial blends. It's impossible to distinguish them from each other - you reach 2nd Pocket Guide to the Empire and you don't know what's canon anymore - not more that it's unnecessary burden. Embrace the c0da.

Wrong. As it's been said, what is not mentioned in the games at all is not considered canon. The Thalmor, the treaty, the knights and xarxes are all in the games, which makes them legitimate. However, as far as I know, a many-headed Talos isn't. So that's not legitimate.

It's easy to see what is not legitimate and what is.