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scubadoobie2 - President Al Smith is, I'm afraid, still dead. Chapter XXVI: The Shot Ignored Around The World.

Fulcrumvale - Social Democrats are rich in not needed vitamins and bad-for-you minerals. :D

Alexus - Better they're in Maple Syrup than in power certainly.

UncleIstvan1111 - Alas the library hasn't been updated for months, years possibly. Thus there is no way to change it unless someone takes on the Herculean task of re-organising it. :(

Still a pleasure to welcome a new reader.

Vann the Red - And you are right to fear the next update, I just read the 1935 Labour Election Manifesto. :eek: Quite possibly one of the most frightening things I have ever read, with such pledges as;

The complete abolition of the national air force
International control of sources of raw materials
And of course nationalising everything, abolishing the entire arms industry and
collectivisation of agriculture.

Frankly as bad as Neville Chamberlain may have been at least he wasn't that bad. I feel slightly dirty for saying that. *shudder*
 
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So ... the war is over, the victory is won, and now as ever the bill falls due.
And I don't think a few Italian cruisers will cover the costs of the war, never mind any continuing military build-up afterwards. Has anyone suggested selling those Greek islands to Greece to raise cash?

Sounds like Keynes has convinced the Government to come up with a classic "stimulus package", aka deficit spending. Which is fun while it lasts and then you need an economic recovery - or another war. It would be an interesting litmus test of trans-Atlantic relations to see if Wall Street would touch British War Bonds - or if they're too scared of being "dragged into Europe's troubles again".

And I can see tha Labour Party working itself up to a fine state of red fury, claiming the real purpose of the war was to justify giving the peoples' money to industrialists and imperialists.

Great detail, as ever.
 
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merrick said:
So ... the war is over, the victory is won, and now as ever the bill falls due.
And I don't think a few Italian cruisers will cover the costs of the war, never mind any continuing military build-up afterwards. Has anyone suggested selling those Greek islands to Greece to raise cash?

Sounds like Keynes has convinced the Government to come up with a classic "stimulus package", aka deficit spending. Which is fun while it lasts and then you need an economic recovery - or another war. It would be an interesting litmus test of trans-Atlantic relations to see if Wall Street would touch British War Bonds - or if they're too scared of being "dragged into Europe's troubles again".

And I can see tha Labour Party working itself up to a fine state of red fury, claiming the real purpose of the war was to justify giving the peoples' money to industrialists and imperialists.

Great detail, as ever.

I am guessing you are not a Keynesian economist, from your less than enthusiastic response to the Keynes Plan ;). As a not-any-type-at-all economist this is my understanding;

Mid 1930s the South-East/Midlands is all but out of the recession and on the up swing ('New' industries such as mass car production, radio, etc all based around there). The North/Scotland/Wales however is in massive slump as serious metal bashing is in decline (the kit is knackered so exports are uncompetitive and demand is down)

Thus any aid should be targeted at those bits that need help, so target your deficit spending on the industrial north. Thus building new, modern factories and heavy ship building is going to have a disproportionately good effect.

So my argument is, an economic recovery was historically under way, all the Keynes plan does is try to spread it to the rest of the country. Which doesn't seem that unreasonable, especially in light of the US situation:

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In comparison a vanilla game is 112/281 IC, and there's a few events coming that are going to lower the above figures further. Frankly Wall Street would struggle to afford a cup of tea, let alone anyones War Bonds. :eek:

So with the US exporting bugger all, indeed having to import industrial products as certain famous firms have gone bust, there's a bigger export market for the new modern UK factories. Not only in the US but in all the places the US historically exported to (Canada, the rest of the Americas, etc) but can't in this timeline.

That is the case for why I think the Keynes plan will be a roaring success, if there are any major holes in that plan I'd appreciate them being pointed out so I can adjust accordingly. :)
 
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El Pip said:
UncleIstvan1111 - Alas the library hasn't been updated for months, years possibly. Thus there is no way to change it unless someone takes on the Herculean task of re-organising it. :(

Still a pleasure to welcome a new reader.
Oh. Well that explains a lot. Now I have no idea of how to find the really cool AAR's, or the one that weren't abandoned. Alas. Well, I suppose I know where one is, namely right here.
Oh and nice update.
 
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Oliver Stanley = top bloke. :)
 
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Chapter XLIV: The Fate of a Party.
Chapter XLIV: The Fate of a Party.

In a normal year the Labour Party spring conference would be a quiet affair, the fireworks and turbulence saved for the annual gathering in the autumn conference season. 1936 was not a normal year and the spring conference would be anything but quiet. While many of the issues that exploded so dramatically on the conference floor had been coming to a head for years, the catalyst was undoubtedly the crushing General Election defeat of the previous year. The sudden swing from an expected victory over a discredited government to a crushing defeat barely better than that suffered in 1931 had been a shock to the party, one which the various factions were all too keen to blame on each other. This infighting was heightened by the ongoing leadership election, George Lansbury having resigned in the aftermath of the general election defeat and agreeing to stay as temporary leader until the conference could elect his replacement.

Broadly the party was divided between the trade union wing and the parliamentary party of MPs and hangers on, although there were significant divides even within those broad groupings. The most recent issue between the group was leadership; the union's firmly believing Lansbury had been kept in the job to prevent a 'TUC' man taking his place before the election, a charge with a considerable amount of truth to it. That was however only a symptom of the deeper divide was between the two groups, particularly over the issues of communism and pacifism, the latter increasingly being seen as an acid test of which side you were on. To the mostly pacifist MPs re-armament was unnecessary, internationally provocative and a waste of money that should be spent on domestic matters, conversely the unions tended to see it as a vital precaution in dangerous times and, more importantly, a massive boost for the economy and thus their member's interests.

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Sir Stafford Cripps, leader of the Socialist League and voice of the Labour hard left. The archetype of the 1930s upper class socialist he was most vocal proponent of a British 'Popular Front' to combat fascism, an idea that the virulently anti-communist trade union movement found abhorrent. However as one of only three surviving ministers from the pre-1931 Labour Government he was party grandee who still commanded significant support, not just from the left of the party.

It was against this backdrop that the leadership election was held, the candidates being Clement Attlee, standing for the mainstream parliamentarians, Arthur Greenwood as the TUC candidate, Stafford Cripps for the socialist wing of the party and the wildly ambitious Herbert Morrison for the 'new blood' of MPs. Of these Morrison's campaign soon fizzled out, his lack of contacts outside of the London party and disinterest from the union delegates killing his campaign before it really started, leaving only three candidate with a chance of winning. The next to fall was Cripps, his leadership of the 'Socialist League' alienating a trade union movement that had spent the early 1930s issuing 'Black Circulars', banning communists from any union position on threat of de-affiliating the offending organisation from the TUC. With the union block vote against him Cripps managed to lose his remaining support through a series of ill advised speeches, culminating in his address to the conference where he expounded his view that an Italian victory 'would not have been a bad thing for the British working class', a phrase that saw his leadership bid end in boos and jeers and a hurried resolution from the National Executive to disassociate itself entirely from his speech.

This left a contest between Attlee and Morrison, a proxy for the fight between the party machine and the unions. While Attlee initially held the lead his campaign was unwittingly undermined by those who sought to help him, as the party hierarchy closed ranks around him to fend of the unions he became more and more associated with the old guard who had been so soundly thrashed in back to back elections. As a leading member of Lansbury's shadow cabinet Attlee had few grounds to defend himself, he had not dissented against the pacifist and anti-rearmament policies of Lansbury or the election manifesto, so could not claim a major change of heart over the issues without appearing grossly opportunistic. Thus he had little choice but to accept the endorsement of men such as Baron Ponsonby, the avowed pacifist who lead the Labour peers in the House of Lords and Arthur Henderson, the former Foreign Secretary awarded the Nobel Peace prize for chairing a failed global disarmament conference. With post-war patriotic feeling still running high, and the very real benefit re-armament was having on the industrial areas that were Labour's heartlands, the prestige such men brought to a candidate was matched by the very real damage their association also brought.

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Walter Citrine, chairman of the Trades Union Congress. The election was the culmination of years of hard work by Citrine and his colleagues in the trade union movement.

At the final count the union block vote combined with the pro-rearmament groups, and the many activists who feared another crushing electoral defeat, to propel Arthur Greenwood into the leadership at Attlee's expense. This victory was the culmination of the work of Ernest Bevin, chairman of the Transport & General Workers Union, and Walter Citrine, holder of the same post at the TUC, completing the trade union take over of the Labour Party. The following months would see a radical shake up of the party's National Executive Committee, increasing trade union influence at the cost of the parliamentary party, and an extension of the role of union block voting in deciding party policy and manifesto. In many ways the election of Greenwood was a return to the party's roots when the TUC had first started funding parliamentary candidates, it certainly had a moderating effect on the party; the upper-middle class socialists that made up the hard left radical wing of the party were forced out by the pragmatic TUC. Yet it was not all good news for the party, the city bosses from outside the Labour heartland, men such as the ambitious London MP Herbert Morrison, saw their path to the top suddenly blocked. Such men did not just give up when faced with obstacles, as the new Labour leadership would discover to its cost.
 
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He's on Fiah! I gotta go for now, but I'll read this as soon as I get home.
 
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Is it safe to uncover the childrens' eyes now that the socialist episode is over? I'd like for them to watch the outrageous gore and blood of the battle scenes and inhumane treatment of minorities in Jerryland.
 
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Funkatronica - Amateur economics is more like it, not at all my field. Still it seems reasonable to me.

Inkana - Weekly updates! It's scary, I just don't know what's wrong with me! :eek: :D

C&D - It's safe now, just civil war and coups in the next update. ;)

Atlantic Friend - I wasn't sure about that update, but it seemed a logical outcome, if not particularly important in the short term. The no-nonsense working class has re-asserted it's patriotism, but then they were always going to. It's those posh socialist you should be worried about, Cripps for instance actually enjoyed implementing the austere rationing of the 1950s, everyone was equally miserable which was close enough to actual equality for him. :rolleyes:
 
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El Pip said:
It's those posh socialist you should be worried about, Cripps for instance actually enjoyed implementing the austere rationing of the 1950s, everyone was equally miserable which was close enough to actual equality for him. :rolleyes:

Well, it does encourage the factory barons to get off their butts to raise everyone's living standard as they raise their own. Now if only those fatcats would know how to turn a spanner as good as their paid underlings... :rolleyes:
 
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Caught up! Nice to see Italy capitulate and the home folks working out what to do with the peace. Let's hope the Social Democrats continue to bumble their way out of power...and that Britain continues to stay covered in honour and glory.

As to the economics, I think you were a tad bit optomistic about the benefits of government spending in the hard-hit northern areas. The war spending would most likely go to firms already established in the Midlands, while the people in the north would not be interested in leaving their old, but familiar, heavy metal industries. In general, the death of one type of industry and transferral of labor to a new industry takes at least three years to regain equivalent employment levels.

Looking forward to the blood-bath over Ethiopia...

TheExecuter
 
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Will be interesting to see how Greenwood carries through, though the military industrial complex is growing by the day!
 
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C&D - Of course such measures also encourage mass emigration of said factory barons to a country that doesn't hate them, leaving nothing but the horrors of nationalisation in their wake. That said the other extreme is just as bad, so there's probably a middle ground somewhere that doesn't involve a 1950s (or 1970s) style economic horror show OR people being worked to death for tuppence a year.

TheExecuter - I think I've kept it fairly realistic, the peacetime IC mod is still at 0.85 so the UK is 15% short of what it could be, which seems a reasonable representation of those parts of the country the Keynes plan can't help.

I also put the bits of new IC being built in the north, to represent establishing new industries in that part of the country, so I was planning on raising that soon. However your argument sounds convincing so the IC cap will have to stay for a while, I might trim it a bit if there's a burst of ship building though. Thoughts?

The battle twixt Foreign Office and Indian Office over Ethiopia will make the actual campaign look bloodless! (Which it mostly was, given the British plan was to starve the Italian's out. But that's not the point)

Sir Humphrey - Everyone likes a large arms-industrial complex, makes you the envy of your friends and the ladies love it. :D
 
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Interesting update, Pippy. Ah, when people mistake egalitarianism for equality...

Ruddy
 
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The battle twixt Foreign Office and Indian Office over Ethiopia will make the actual campaign look bloodless! (Which it mostly was, given the British plan was to starve the Italian's out. But that's not the point)
Foreign Office and Indian Office at war. I'm absolutely gleeful... :)
 
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El Pip said:
The battle twixt Foreign Office and Indian Office over Ethiopia will make the actual campaign look bloodless! (Which it mostly was, given the British plan was to starve the Italian's out. But that's not the point)

I got a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach about this...
 
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Vann the Red - While the two are similar, both start with 'E' for instance, people really should be able to tell them apart. It can get messy when that doesn't happen.

Fulcrumvale - It's the perfect matchup, ambition vs establishment. Two contenders, only one can prevail, probably.

C&D - What's the worst that can happen? Apart from, say, the Indian Office decisively winning and then trying to the entire Middle-East and North Africa as if they're part of the Raj?

MIG-15 - It's only been 26months since this started and we're already at the start of May. 1936. At this rate it will only take 4 and half years to get to 1937! It's an AAR that requires perseverance from all parties, think of it as a test of endurance.
 
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