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Anything new coming our way Pip?
 
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Hawkeye1489 - Most interesting information, thanks for that, should prove helpful come the election update.

Duritz - Ahh but with Imperial Presence it would be huge tariffs. As to old Pig Iron himself, well he was never going to popular with Labour was he? Trading with those inferior Japs was always going to offend the ALP and their White Australia Policy. Vote for ethnic purity, vote ALP.
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Jerzul - Now! Well a few minutes tops. ;)
 
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Chapter LXIV: Learning From The Past.
Chapter LXIV: Learning From The Past.

The Navy Board's post war design review is generally regarded as an infuriating mix of intelligent analysis and missed opportunities, some experiences carefully dissected and thoughtfully applied while others languished ignored. In fairness to the Admiralty many of the lessons so obvious in hindsight were far from clear at the time, especially given the facts of the engagements that the conclusions were based on. Before looking at the review in detail it is worth briefly outlining the war experiences and the doctrine that informed the review.

From a purely naval perspective, and excluding the amphibious operations, the Abyssinian War consisted of four major set piece engagements (First Taranto, Coast of Tobruk, Second Taranto and the Taranto Raid), a determined convoy raiding campaign against the Italian supplies lines and a ongoing convoy protection operation for British shipping. Naturally the large battles had dominated both public and political opinion, being both better spectacles and the simplest for laymen to follow, though they were also the subject of much discussion throughout the fleet; a chance to serve on a battleship and fight a grand battle being the reason many officers had signed up. For the Naval Staff however the major battles were but one part of the picture, an important part no doubt but not something that could, or should, be considered in isolation from the other operations of the war. This wider view of the role of the fleet was a reflection of the essentially Corbettian attitude of the Admiralty, not that they would have expressed it in such terms. Given the vast size of the Royal Navy, even allowing for it's disparate and globe spanning commitments, the Admiralty felt it was more than possible to maintain both the correct 'Corbettian' control of the sea while a portion of the fleet engaged in seeking a 'Mahanian' decisive battle. Such had been the strategy of the Abyssinian War and events had, in the opinion of the Naval Staff, shown it to be correct. Future events however would show this position was not tenable in the face of more formidable opponents than the Regia Marina.

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Sir John Knox Laughton. Considered by many the 'father' of modern naval history his work would form the basis for the first proper studies of naval grand strategy. Though fated to relative obscurity he was a profound influence on those who followed, in particular his 'disciple' Rear-Admiral Alfred Mahan and his 'protege' Sir Julian Corbett. Despite a common base these two gentlemen took profoundly different views on naval warfare; Mahan preached the importance of forcing a decisive battle for the stronger force and recommended the opposite 'fleet in being' strategy for the weaker force. Corbett instead believed the key was 'command of the seas', the control of lines of communication and the safety of convoy routes, a concept he argued was relative not absolute. For Corbett the actual destruction of the enemy was less important than sea control, a controversial view for many naval officers who saw fleet battles as the main purpose of a fleet. Despite the advances in technology and tactics the ideas of both men still had committed followings and formed the basis of strategic thinking for any naval power worthy of note.

Having briefly touched on grand strategy we move onto the specific lessons of the war, ignoring low level tactical lessons on ship movement and positioning and the miniature of revised bridge layouts and so on. Reproduced below are the main lessons drawn from the conflict, presented in the same order and wording as found in the conclusion of the the Naval Review;

  • Battleships remain the main 'battle winning' unit for at-sea engagements
  • The role of aircraft, both shore and ship based, is to support and supplement battleships.
  • The main aerial threat comes from air launched torpedoes not bombs.
  • High speed, in both sustained long cruises and in combat, is of considerable, but not vital importance.
  • Anti-Submarine operations were far less effective than expected and further investigation is recommended.

While hindsight tells us that the rapid advance of technology would render much of that list incorrect, save for the last two points, it is a most interesting insight into the thinking of the time. The list will be broken down below, but the general trends were the promotion of carriers and aircraft in general (though not as high as perhaps it should have been), the inclusion of shore based aircraft in the review (a nod towards Coastal Command and the MoDC's push for inter-service co-operation) and the focus on the submarine threat as pre-war confidence was proved somewhat misplaced.

Taking the first point, the primacy of the Battleship for 'at sea' engagements, it is tempting to believe the more conservative elements of the Staff determined that outcome first and then distorted the following lessons fit. In reality however the chain of reasoning in fact started with the third point; the perceived ineffectiveness of aerial bombing. While this would prove to be equally incorrect, it was at least a far more justifiable believe given the evidence to hand at the time. The history of aerial attack on surface vessels was, at best, patchy; the much touted 'decisive' Osterfiredland test conducted by United States in the 1920s had only proved that heavy bombers with 2000lb bombs could indeed sink stationary, uncrewed and obsolete vessels if given enough time. Conversely the test against HMS Agamemnon conducted in the late 1920s had shown that a slow, unarmed battleship manoeuvring on remote control could avoid being hit from the air. Outside these trials there was much evidence from actual attacks on smaller vessels; the Dutch De Zeven Provinciën and Greek Averoff had both been ineffectually but deliberately bombed by their own side, more pertinently there was the disappointing performance of the Fleet Air Arm Seals at the Battle of the Coast of Tobruk. Taken together these experiences had left the Navy convinced aerial bombing was not a threat, even arch FAA advocate Lord Keyes conceded that battleships had less to fear from bombers than from from plunging fire with armour piercing ammunition or, significantly, large torpedoes.

There were, of course, caveats to that view. The complete lack of a purpose designed dive bomber in either RAF or FAA service had prevented that type from being tested, an oversight the FAA was well aware of but had not been able to overcome due to RAF resistance to the concept. The FAA's drive to acquire a dive bomber, discussed later, is indicative of the high hopes they had of the concept, however at the time of the review it remained just that - hopes, not something on which you could base a radical change in strategy. The other major caveat was hinted at in Lord Keyes comment above, the air launched torpedo was quite explicitly excluded from the assessment of the aerial bombing threat. However the torpedo was considered a known quantity, ever since the first torpedo boats in the late 19th century people had been claiming the torpedo meant the end of the Battleship. That's not to say the Naval Staff ignored the problem, for instance there was a general re-assessment and uprating of torpedo protection on the new capital ship designs, however the threat was not considered grave enough to require re-thinking the very basis of British naval strategy. This perhaps shows the key problem of the review in microcosm, the failure to think ahead and make any allowance for improving aircraft performance and advancing technology. Fortunately they were far from alone in this mistake, air power advocates the world over encountered similar problems, however given the pioneering role of the Royal Navy in naval aviation the failure to capitalise on that lead must be marked as, at best, a missed opportunity.

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HMS Emerald, lead vessel of the two ship E-Class of light cruisers. The E-Class, also known as the Emerald Class, was in many ways a ground breaking class for the Royal Navy, everything from the twin turrets to the bridge design would be copied for later cruisers. However it is for it's relatively high speed the class is most remembered, at 33 knots fully laden they were the fastest cruiser in the fleet for most of their service lives. With Italian light cruisers sometimes exceeding 40 knots in trials and even French cruisers managing over 35 knots it is perhaps surprising the Royal Navy viewed the E-class as 'too fast'. The reason for this judgement was the believe that too much had been sacrificed for the speed, the follow up Leander class could just exceed 32knots, barely 1 knot less, on the same basic hull and tonnage, yet had 10% less installed power and used the tonnage for an extra 6" gun and improved secondary armament. Successive British cruisers classes would keep to a maximum design speed of around 32 knots as the Admiralty traded speed for guns and armour.

Moving on down the list, we come to the somewhat vaguely worded statement on speed. This point reflects the difficulty in compressing a somewhat wide ranging idea down to a brief sentence, for the review had reflected long and hard on the 'ideal' speed for future warships. This was no easy task for speed, unlike the other elements of the warship triad armour and armament, was a very subjective attribute; while the value of an extra inch of belt armour or an additional turret were obvious and would be useful in any engagement, an extra half knot of speed (which could easily take more tonnage and cost more than either of the previous) could be vital in catching a fleeing enemy but equally could never be used outside of trials. There was also the matter of cruising speed to be considered, traditionally this had only been thought important for convoy escort and protection vessels so 'fleet' units had maximised top speed at the cost of economic cruising. The war experience had shown not only did roles swap and merge as operational requirements shifted, several destroyer flotillas had spent the war switching between escort work, submarine hunting and serving in traditional fleet roles, but that even 'pure' fleet units needed a fast economic cruise speed, in order to move between theatres quickly without needing regular refuelling stops. The final consideration was the Italian navy's experience with high speed vessels, with several prized former units of the Regia Marina in dry dock in Rosyth, the Naval Staff took the chance to study them for lessons the Royal Navy could learn. The investigation revealed that, as suspected, Italy had been breaching the various naval treaty limits and all the vessels were indeed over prescribed tonnage. However despite their extra tonnage all of them had been compromised to varying degrees in order to reach their high speeds, indeed the most balanced were also the slowest; the formidable Zaras barely making over 30knots when fully laden. These findings confirmed the Royal Navy's own experiences of high speed vessels;that any ship could be made faster or slower for relatively little change in tonnage up to a certain point, beyond which any speed change required exponentially more power and tonnage for the same increase.

Taking all of the above into consideration the review attempted to produce a series of recommendations that were not too prescriptive but equally avoiding being vague to the point of uselessness. The first problem was that to be useful the recommendations needed firm numbers, yet one of the key findings was that designs should not be compromised by aiming for arbitrary speeds. Secondly there was the issue of the legacy fleet; in practice none of the battleships in commission could exceed 25knots when fully laden, a speed that was believed too slow, and had equally poor sustained cruising speeds. Yet under the recently agreed re-armament plans the Nelsons and the Queen Elizabeths were to remain in service for a minimum of six years, likely longer, and thus would have to operate along side the newer, potentially faster, design. Such was the importance of the decision, effectively it would set the battle line speed for the future fleet, the Naval Staff passed the buck, referring the decision up to the top for consideration by the Navy Board. The eventual decision of the Sea Lords was to break with the past and set the speed at 'not less than 30knots when fully stored and equipped for war', commenting that if the Navy only concerned itself with older vessels then it would never build anything faster and thus the speed would never rise. The remainder of the specific recommendations ruled out any speed focused designs such as the E-Class cruisers and confirmed that, subject to the minimum speed set by the Navy Board and any specific requirement, speed should be treated as the least important leg of the warship triad.

Finally we come to the consideration of the anti-submarine campaign of the navy, operations that had been strategically successful but tactically very worrying. While the main aim had been successful, the supply and troops convoys had reached the theatre un-molested, the worrying fact was that no Italian submarines had been sunk. This was of particular concern as the entire campaign had been conducted under almost perfect conditions; The Royal Navy had been able to concentrate the bulk of the fleet in theatre allowing for heavy convoy escorts and numerous 'striking groups', the convoy routes had been limited with the vast majority running between only three points (Gibralta <-> Malta <-> Alexandria) and the campaign had been conducted in the spring/summer giving the British maximum daylight 'hunting time' and the submarines the fewest hours of 'safe' darkness. The optimistic interpretation was that the Regia Marina had appreciated all the British advantages and not risked their submarines out of fear of losing them. While this is perhaps partially true, certainly there were no engagements or detections near convoys, the destroyers of Rear-Admiral Horton's 'Striking Groups' based out of Malta were involved in several engagements with enemy submarines, however they singularly failed to sink any of them. The conclusions drawn were that ASDIC detection and tracking was far less reliable in actual engagements than hoped and that a major re-think on anti-submarine weaponry was required. The former had been suspected as ASDIC was known to have significant limitations, particularly when close to target, while the latter was an unpleasant surprise as rear-dropped depth charges had been thought sufficient. On the positive side the Naval Staff were able to confirm that the convoy system was effective, though the 'loss of efficiency' (the time spent waiting while convoys formed up and the time lost by travelling at the speed of the slowest merchant) remained a concern. Overall, however, the campaign had been disconcerting to an Admiralty that had believed the submarine menace had been dealt with, on the evidence of the war they were forced to accept that both tactically and technologically they were still some way from that goal.
 
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All in all a good piece. Let's hope the RN doesn't get clobbered by the Japanese or god forbid, ze Germans.
 
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So:

--30kt capital ships means either Lions (if no treaty limit to bother with) or KGVs with perhaps 9 x 14" and less armor, the tonnage difference going to more hp
--a mixed bag re: carriers, but the fact that bombing is seen as less of a threat points away from the armored hanger designs and rather to Ark Royal types with bigger air wings. Also, hopefully the emphasis on torpedo delivery means a proper monoplane torpedo bomber, even if it's a Barracuda-sort optimized for the role.

--the operational experience with ASDIC will be a great help--spur the development of ahead-throwing weapons hopefully

Nice update--worth the wait as always. :)
 
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Great read, does this mean...

...That the RAF update is next? /'tache quivers with excitement :eek:

And I agree with the above, that if the Admiralty is setting a fleet speed of 30 knots, then they are going out on a non-conservative limb for the time : well done those Senior Service wallahs!
 
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[Corbett instead believed the key was 'command of the seas', the control of lines of communication and the safety of convoy routes, a concept he argued was relative not absolute. For Corbett the actual destruction of the enemy was less important than sea control, a controversial view for many naval officers who saw fleet battles as the main purpose of a fleet.

I have to say, this is interesting me moreso as a reflection of the two powers; America would never be defeated by a naval blockade, whereas Britain certainly could be; and a decisive battle could turn a war in America's favor, while as WW1 shows the British will avoid a decisive battle at all costs.
 
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Hmmmm, very very very interesting. Im worried about the lack of belief of he threat of naval bombers. Could cause a terrible mishap with some Germans.
 
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Hmm, all very interesting... of course very little in the way of decisions. Come on old boy, lets see some production build lists! ;)

Dury.
 
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trekaddict - I have a suspicion the Kreigsmarine and the IJN will prove far more substantial opponents than the Regia Marina did. Particularly as I have delved into the save file to alter both nations build queues.

That said you are making the assumption Britain ends up at war with these powers, don't forget Britain and Germany are both backing the same side in the Spanish Civil War while France backs the other. :eek:

DonnieBaseball - It's got to be a KGV derivative; the hulls have to be on the slipway while the money and political will is there for capital ship building. The extra few months for a from scratch design for the Lions runs the risk of the political winds changing and the government 'delaying' the construction. Bitter experience tells the Admiralty to grab new tonnage while it's available.

The rest of the details are in the next update when I do a ship by ship update and look at the Specs the FAA are issuing for their new monoplane air wing.

Hawkeye1489 - Thanks, glad it was worth the wait. Hopefully the next one should be a bit quicker as I've got the bits I had to cut out of that one to form the bare bones. :)

RAFspeak - The Admiralty does only have two speeds; Radical and Conservative. For every great leap forward there is a matching pig headed sticking to the old ways decision, often in the same branch of the service.

Alas sir the RAF must wait their turn, but I can promise some FAA action if that's any consolation.

Faeelin - WW1 was an odd one for the Royal Navy, I think Churchill captured it best when speaking about Jellicoe; "The only man on either side who could lose the war in an afternoon".

A decisive defeat of the High Seas Fleet would do very little to help Britain win the war (the blockade wouldn't become more effective for instance) while losing the Grand Fleet was a potential war ender. Losing the fleet meant risking invasion (a perennial fear), losing control of the Channel (and hence contact with the BEF) and exposing the trade routes to surface raiders as well as submarine.

Logically therefore the risks were high and the rewards low, not a good basis to seek a decisive battle.

On the US view point, I think that's one of my favourite ironies of the Pacific War. While the US started the war as Mahaninan, the strike on Pearl Harbour forced a far more Corbettian approach; a strategic defence with localised offensives. Look at the island hopping campaigns for instance.

Conversely the IJN were fanatical Mahanians the entire war, always seeking decisive battle with the USN and completely neglecting supply lines and sea control. Arguably one of the many reasons they lost was their zeal in following the ideas of a US Admiral, which is quite amusing.

Lord Strange - They have to make some mistakes and get a few things wrong. If they got everything right it would be spectacularly unrealistic; at the time the whole issue was still unclear.

Moreover given my well known dislike of perfect foresight in AARs I would be a tad hypocritical if people in my own AAR didn't completely mis-judge the future on occasion. :)

Duritz - Next update sir. And just for you it will include a build queue, because I'm nothing if not responsive to my readers. :D
 
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excellent stuff pippy, some interesting conclusions reached by the admiralty.

awaitng the next update for the nitty gritty.

later, caff
 
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Ah...a good look at the 'lessons learned' from the Abyssinian war. Looking forward to the build queues!

I am always intrigued by the 'superiority' of the Mahanian doctrines over the Corbettan doctrines in the game. From what I've noticed, most successful nations used Corbettan tactics to win wars that were 'difficult.' Yet they are given Mahanian doctrines in game. For example, Britain...and the US. The reason they had such capable Mahanian fleets is because they had a large Corbettan fleet to support the Mahanian.

As you say, Pip, a Britain without the convoys and sub-hunting 'small ships' controlling the sea-lanes is lost...even with a battlefleet capable of winning a decisive battle easily. Especially so since standard battleship practice was to run if a submarine was spotted. It is the combination of the two fleets that effectively eliminated the Kriegsmarine from the world war I after the first few months.

I'll go out on a limb and say that a purely Mahanian fleet cannot be effective at forcing an opponent to fight a decisive battle (and is thus useless or nearly useless)...as Scheer and Von Ingenohl found out. Jellicoe had no intention of being drawn into a fight he could possibly lose...and there was no way for the Germans to force him to fight on any terms that would not inevitably end in a British victory. Because Jellicoe had a strong Mahanian battle-fleet backed up with a strong Corbettan utility fleet...he had all the cards. Because the Germans only had a strong Mahanian fleet, but were unable to control the sealanes with a Corbettan fleet...they were unable to bring Jellicoe to battle under favorable conditions...and they were unable to prevent Britain from starving them out of the war with the blockade.

Let us remember, that the Germans finished Russia off...had suffered no serious reverses (some might say no reverses at all) on the Western Front...and were poised to take Paris in early 1918 had the arrival of American troops not re-stabilized the position. In my opinion, the two things that forced a German defeat were the cumulative blockade effect on German society and supply, and the arrival of American divisions on the Western Front. Hitherto, no allied army had made significant advances against the Germans...sure land may have been gained...but it was not useful land...After the Allied offensives of the summer of 1918...bloody as they were...the Germans realized the inevitable...the blockade would strangle them, and the American army was capable of advancing (slowly, and for heavy cost, but advancing non-the-less) against them. The longer the war would go the worse these problems would become. Thus the armistice. Probably the blockade was the main driver of this...as German army performance was eventually bound to decline as losses and supply issues took their respective tolls. My point is, had Germany been able to contest the sea-lanes around Britain with a proper Corbett fleet supporting their Mahanian fleet...the Allies would not have been able to hold with their inferior armies while suffering the inevitable supply shortages that plagued them even with near full control of the sea-lanes.

TheExecuter
 
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Uhm, the UK naval doctrine is definately also corbettian, it has all those convoy techs after all.
 
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Uhm, the UK naval doctrine is definately also corbettian, it has all those convoy techs after all.

Hmm...you are, of course, right. Now why can't I use both sets of doctrines as ze Germans?

TheExecuter
 
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Good update. The conclusions all sound reasonable in the light of the experience. (One thing that didn't get mentioned at all was AA capacity - given the low value the RN is placing on bombers this may come back to bite them.)

For example, Britain...and the US. The reason they had such capable Mahanian fleets is because they had a large Corbettan fleet to support the Mahanian.
Doesn't the reverse apply as well? To use your WW1 example, the reason the High Seas Fleet didn't come sailing down the Channel to disrupt communications between Britain and France, as well as (at least) make the blockade harder to maintain, was not some inherent superiority of a "Corbettian" force, but because such a move would have exposed them to a "Mahanian" fleet battle at poor odds. As Von Spee (and his WW2 namesake) found out, attempting to contest control of the sea lanes without a fleet-in-being to keep the opposition honest will sooner or later result in you running up against a hunter-killer group that is just powerful enough to take you down. The only way to avoid being defeated in detail is to concentrate, which forces the enemy to concentrate and then we're back to Mahanian tactics.
 
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The only way to avoid being defeated in detail is to concentrate, which forces the enemy to concentrate and then we're back to Mahanian tactics.

But concentrating only makes sense if you are reasonably certain of winning the decisive battle, which the German navy almost never was capable of doing. The Germans were nearly successful in strangling the British by NOT concentrating...the raider/submarine campaign was quite effective under unrestricted conditions...and was the only logical path towards a naval victory. Thus Mahanian tactics are worthless UNLESS you have a battlefleet capable of winning the decisive engagement...which either means you significantly outpower your opponent (a la Jellico) or you can pick the time and place of the engagement (a la Midway). But without an emphasis on Corbettan tactics, it would be extrememly unlikely for an outnumbered Mahanian navy to dictate the place and time of the decisive engagement. Therefore the outnumbered Mahanian navy will be forced to avoid fighting that hopeless decisive battle and thus essentially negates its own purpose.

TheExecuter
 
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Very interestint update, Pippy. Hindsight is always so much easier...

Vann
 
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Interesting - faster capital ships seem destined for the RN plus torpedo plane based carrier strike groups.

Peversely this might not be such a bad thing - a decent torpedo bomber plus fighter is a fairly potent combination. And it was torpedoes that did for the Italians at Tarranto and the Bismarck

Plus the focus on plunging fire (i.e. deck armour) for battleships is not too bad a protection against being sunk by dive bombers - remember Germany have to develop an armour piercing bomb to sink the battleships.

Japan may be more of a problem - but at least the British should understand the risk of unescorted battleships by now.

So if the British have solved the problems that led to the Hood sinking in our time line and also won't make the mistake of sending Prince of Wales / Repulse out of air cover, what new mistakes will they make? And what will Japan and Germany learn from the Abyssinian War?
 
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