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TJDS said:
Well, Herr van Kloetinge, we would not be treated as an equal partner, something which is needed for long term social reform.
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Frankly, I think your numbers would necessitate at least some degree of respect regardless of how the rest of the government wished to view your involvement in the running of state affairs.

If you were truly desirous of change, you would grasp the opportunity to deliver it wherever it came. You most certainly would not throw your toys out of the pram just because you felt your egos hadn't been massaged enough.
 
With the response from Herr von Bavel-Timmermans, the cabinet is formally accepted by the Supreme Court. Members of the Reichstag may now submit legislation, while the new ministers may submit plans. As always, please refrain from voting until the Supreme Court has formally published the ballot.

New legislation may be submitted for 48 hours.

Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
 
DensleyBlair said:
Frankly, I think your numbers would necessitate at least some degree of respect regardless of how the rest of the government wished to view your involvement in the running of state affairs.

If you were truly desirous of change, you would grasp the opportunity to deliver it wherever it came. You most certainly would not throw your toys out of the pram just because you felt your egos hadn't been massaged enough.
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As Minister of the Interior I found myself constantly undercut by Herr Gutfreund towards the latter part of his tenure. It is clear the liberals have no desire to work with us and treat us as equals, and indeed Herr Gutfreund is positively moderate compared to the madman running the current government. Until they are willing to accept us as equals, why should we? I am glad my party leader has seen sense in not continuing this farce of bipartisan cooperation.
 
I would like to draw the attention of Herr von Bavel-Timmermans and Herr Wouters to the fact that the Reichstag has passed socialist legislation almost every session for the past several years. If you do not consider that "long-term social reform," then what are your goals?

~ K. F. von Hohenzollern
 
I am pleased to see this coalition has been accepted, even though it doesn't include my party, the imperialists, it does in fact include the vote of the vast majority of our population.

I also look upon The former honourable member Smitherings and see regret, his fast fall from grace. However it was obvious to see that this course of action was going to take place, constantly insulting other honourable members and demanding a position in the cabinet far above his place.

I request the Historian permanently strike Smithereens from the records, a man of such actions is not worthy of being recognised by the future members of this honourable establishment

Count Maximilian Egon Christian Karl Aloys Emil Leo Richard Anton Von Fürstemberg
 
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Former governments have made concessions to "social reform", it's true. We've seen minimum wage legislation, we've seen the public-school system set up, and most recently we've seen the unemployment subsidies enacted at the end of the Great War.

But at the same time, you have to question the reasons why. The unemployment benefit was not set up as a solid measure to improve the lot of the common man, but as a stop-gap measure until the Great War's soldiers have found jobs again - indeed, certain Conservatives made it quite clear that they'd be trying to repeal it once a few years had passed.

And our public-school system is one of the best in the world, I'll give you that. But, again, any increased social benefit of literacy and education comes a distant second priority to the public schools' true intended aim - of churning out bureaucrats and engineers for the machines of industry, and so pushing more money into the hands of the capitalist and the ruling class. Indeed, just this last year we've been seeing the curriculum slide ever further away from proper academic standards and further into the hands of Messrs. Heer and Krupp.

But besides all that, what do we see in Germany today? We see a woefully underfunded deathtrap of a state-healthcare system, forcing men and women into expensive private healthcare that they cannot afford. We see no legal limit on hours worked, so slave-driving factory workers can demand upwards of fourteen or sixteen hours a day. And we see unemployment subsidies so compromised that a weeks allocated pay cannot even pay for a week's rent! What good is it, ladies and gentlemen, to have the richest economy in the world if we cannot even look after our own people?

So these, Herr von Hohenzollern, are our long-term aims for social reform. A welfare state, with good free healthcare for the sick, pensions for the aged, and generous unemployment subsidies for the out-of-work. A well-regulated industry, with safety regulations and legally mandated limits on hours worked. And a nation governed not for the rich, nor for the powerful, but for the People!

- Friedrich Gerulf
 
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To Minister von Bavel-Timmermans, I present my report on the educational programs and investments that have been implemented at the time of the end of my service as Minister of Education.

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The Referendum Act:
  1. A member of the Conclave may put a bill up for Referendum rather than for a vote
  2. The bill must then achieve a 50% majority of public favor before it becomes law
  3. The bill must then be approved by the Reichpresident
  4. If the bill also affects the regional zone of Italy, it must also be approved by the Italian President.
((This is a piece of legislation I've wanted to implement for a while, but had no idea how to do so until we added electors to the game. Basically, instead of going through the Conclave & assembly, the bill would go through the Elector system instead.))
 
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I propose that we implement a 14 hour work day.

Germany today is practically a slave state. Our workers are forced to spend hours at a time crammed into noisy sweatshops, giving their lives to line the pockets of the bourgeoisie. They are given no time for leisure, no time to see their families, no time to increase their lot in life! These absurd hours the People are forced to work simply to provide for their families results in decreased productivity and increased mortality as their minds become clouded with exhaustion. Giving the common man an hour or two in the evening to go out and spend his hard-earned cash would certainly not hurt the industrialists.

Our Republic was built on the back of the German Worker, this is the least we can do for him.
 
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PTSnoop said:
((I like the sound of referendums - but I'm not sure how the system would work in practice. Who's an Elector? What determines votes?))
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((Electors are just us, that is to say every character gets exactly 1 vote.))
 
To the Cabinet:

Herr Schaumburg, I would like to see Germany make commercial treaties ((sphere)) any neutral countries in Europe and increase our ties with India and China.

Herr Carile, I believe German factories should be filled with educated craftsmen. I also believe that we should encourage businessmen to build new factories. We also need a Gendarmerie commander. I wish to see our minority populations treated fairly.

Herr Schwaben, we should ensure that the army and navy are in a permanent state of readiness and that our losses from the last war are replaced. We do not want to be undermanned if another war strikes.

Herr Wurrtemburg, the German people deserve a period of lower taxes after all the difficulties they have faced.

Herr Herwig, I leave it to you to ensure that our military is ahead of the Scottish and Poles in technology.

~Chancellor Meningen
 
Ladies and gentlemen, we hereby release this new list of important persons and Chancellors in Germany. Please inform us if we have made an error.


"Staatsvater" for Herr von Hohenzollern, (State's father)
"der Schreckliche" for Herr Arndt, (The Terrible)
"der Märtyer" for Herr von Bern, (The Martyr)
"der Eiserne Kanzler" for Herr von Bismarck, (The Iron Chancellor)
"der Befreier" for Herr Meiningen, which he commonly goes by in day-to-day mail. (The Liberator)
"der Gelehrte" for Herr von Schwaben.

16 November 1696: Kaiser Friedrich IV declares the Republic; he would declare himself a dictator in 1703; thus we represent it with a different entry.
1696 - 1703: Friedrich IV "Staatsvater" von Hohenzollern (Imperial Nonpartisan)
1703 - 1714: Friedrich IV "Staatsvater" von Hohenzollern (Dictatorship)
1714 - 1747: Leopold Johann von Werl (Revolutionary Nonpartisan)
1747 - 1750: Wilhelm Rainer (Young Bavarians)
1751 - 1753: Joseph Wecker (Nonpartisan free candidate)
1753 - 1761: Ruprecht Kohn (Nonpartisan, unopposed)
1761 - 1769: Joachim Hector Lindner (NS)
1769 - 1777: Leopold Johann von Franken (NS / Young Bavarian)
1777 - 1783: Johann Georg von Weimar (UAI / Alliance)
1783 - 1789: Wilhelm Friedrich Edelmann (NS)
1789 - 1798: Leopold Ferdinand "der Schreckliche" Arndt (Nonpartisan)
1798 - 1805: Leopold Johann von Höhn (Nonpartisan)
1805 - 1813: Johann Nestor Wachsmuth (Alliance)
1813 - 1821: Ferdinand Maria Schumann (Nonpartisan)
1821 - 1829: Georg Friedrich von Arnim-Boitzenburg (UAI)
1829 - 1836: Konrad von Hohenzollern (NS)
1836 - 1840: Miguel de la Rosa Picard (UAI)
1840 - 1845: Florentin Willem Graf von Wächtersbach (NS)
1845 - 1849: Alex "der Märtyrer" von Bern (NS)
1849: Friedrich-Augustus von Altmark (UAI, Acting)
1849 - 1863: Otto "der Eiserne Kanzler" von Bismarck (NS)
1863 - 1865: Hugo Unger (HUN)
1865 - 1869: Michael von Hohenzollern (HUN)
1869 - 1870: Konrad "der Gelehrte" von Schwaben (NLPD)
1870: Ludwig Fredrik Andersen (UAI)
1870 - 1880: Konrad "der Gelehrte" von Schwaben (NLPD)
1880 - 1885: Frederick Carlile (NLPD)
1885 - 1890: Franz "der Befreier" Meiningen (Bundespartei)
1890 - 1898: Hals Friedrich Gutfreund (DLP)
1898 - incumbent: Franz "der Befreier" Meiningen (Bundespartei)
...

Incumbent President: Eva von Vandenburg

The following persons are of note in the Conclave of Stadtholders:

Italien Staatspräsidentin Clarissa Rafanelli-Askanier of Turin, KPD
Herr Gottfried Verwalter of Zürich, KPD
Herr Franz von Bavel-Timmermans of Rotterdam, DSU
Herr Friedrich Gerulf of Straßburg, DSU
Herr Theodoor Linden of Amsterdam, DDA
Herr Rodrigo de la Rosa von Stauffenburg of Brussels, DLP
Herr Walther Herwig of Bad Harolsen, DLP
Frmr. Kanzler und Prasident Konrad "der Gelehrte" von Schwaben of Freiburg, DLP
Herr Johannes Carlile of München, DLP
Frau Maria Victor of Foggia, Bundespartei
Frmr. Reichspräsident Samuel von Dwyfor-Frauenkirche of Somerset-in-Exile, Bundespartei
Herr Albrecht von Spinoza of Kiel, Conservative
Herr Abel von Gawk of Königgratz, Conservative
Herr Franz Josef von Habsburg-Lothringen of Vienna, Conservative
Herr Hubert Schaumburg of Prague, Conservative
Herr Konrad Friedrich von Hohenzollern, Hereditary Stadtholder of Nürnberg, Conservative
Herr Hans-Jurgen von Arnim-Boitzenburg of Berlin, Imperialists
Herr Otto von Altmark of Altmark, Imperialists
Herr Himkleck Reunde of Wurzburg, Imperialists
Herr Maximilian von Fürstenberg of Holzminden, Imperialists
Herr Paul Friedrich Emil Leopold of Detmold, Independent

...

The following are notable members of the Assembly:

Herr Jean-Pierre St. Gerard of Avignon, KPD
Herr Klaus Siekert of München, KPD
Herr Lukas von Freiberg of Freiberg, DSU
Herr Axel Wouters of Brussels, DSU
Herr Christian Peymann of Aarhus, DDA
Herr G.A. Servatius van Kloetinge, DDA
Frmr. Kanzler Ludwig Fredrik Andersen of Friedrichshafen, DLP
Herr Frederick Thiessen of Freising, DLP
Frmr. Kanzler H.F. Gutfreund of Hannover, DLP
Reichskanzler Franz "der Befreier" Meiningen of Ost-Berlin, Bundespartei
Herr Friedrich von Livland of West-Berlin, Bundespartei
Herr Albrecht von Württemberg of Stuttgart, Bundespartei
Herr Friedrich von Nassau of Nassau, Conservative
Herr Giuseppe Putini of Livorno, Conservative
Herr Franz Ferdinand "der Beinbrecher" Schuettler of Nuremberg, Conservative
Herr Roman von Weis of Potsdam, Imperialists
Herr Josef Koscilny of Prague, Imperialists

- Chief Historian of the Reichstag
 
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People of Germany,

Like many of you, I am disgusted that the liberals continue to impose their will upon you, ignoring your express desires for the general election. The Socialists have no voice in the administration of our nation, although more than 30% of Germans chose to vote for them. The Liberals deliberately make insulting offers that the Socialists could not possibly accept.

Therefore, I introduce the following legislation:

The Fairness in Representation Act

1) A minimum of three ideological groups are required in any cabinet, unless a single party wins 50% or more of the Assembly.

2) If a party earns a ministry through winning 25% of either house, and they refuse to sanction the coalition offer made to them, they have the right to withdraw their support from the coalition entirely or appeal to the President. The President may alter the coalition deal to include the spurned party in any position they wish except Chancellor, Commander of the Gendarmerie, or Chief of the General Staff. The President's decision is considered binding on all parties. If the Chancellor refuses to accept it, the Reichstag is considered dissolved and early elections are mandated, with the Minister of the Interior serving as Interim Chancellor; the rest of the cabinet will be appointed by the President.

Jean-Pierre St. Gerard, KPD

Dr.Livingstone said:
The Referendum Act:
  1. A member of the Conclave may put a bill up for Referendum rather than for a vote
  2. The bill must then achieve a 50% majority of public favor before it becomes law
  3. The bill must then be approved by the Reichpresident
  4. If the bill also affects the regional zone of Italy, it must also be approved by the Italian President.
((This is a piece of legislation I've wanted to implement for a while, but had no idea how to do so until we added electors to the game. Basically, instead of going through the Conclave & assembly, the bill would go through the Elector system instead.))
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Do you intend that only the Conclave has the ability to call for a referendum?

Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
 
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Sure, A 14 hour work day may seem good, but what above the industrialists? They need these workers to keep the nations Blood Flowing!

We can't pass a law, that would damage our industry while it is still changing and striding ahead of any competiton!

These men and women who work in factories and collieries and mills, are part of a machine that works fantastically and is the best in the world! Imagine we throw a spanner in the works, like this. What happens to the cogs?

They seize up!

Count Maximilian Egon Christian Karl Aloys Emil Leo Richard Anton Von Fürstemberg
 
Avindian said:
Do you intend that only the Conclave has the ability to call for a referendum?
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As the Conclave is the main arbiter in matters dealing with internal affairs, which I suspect will be the area where most referendums take place, then yes, I believe that only members of the Conclave should have this power.
 
Luftwafer said:
Sure, A 14 hour work day may seem good, but what above the industrialists? They need these workers to keep the nations Blood Flowing!

We can't pass a law, that would damage our industry while it is still changing and striding ahead of any competiton!

These men and women who work in factories and collieries and mills, are part of a machine that works fantastically and is the best in the world! Imagine we throw a spanner in the works, like this. What happens to the cogs?

They seize up!

Count Maximilian Egon Christian Karl Aloys Emil Leo Richard Anton Von Fürstemberg
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I'm going to have to disagree with you.

I worked in a factory when I was younger and it wasn't fun. You're slaving away everyday for small pay that one person, no less a family, could barely live on.

Yes, the German industrial machine is important, and it's important to stay ahead, but are we really going to fall behind the competition with this small change?

We are here not just to protect the business interests of Germany, but also the people of Germany.

What is more important? The people that power the machine? Or the machine itself?

- Josef Koscilny
 
But what of the industrialists?
These men, provide thousands with jobs, with 14 hour days productivity will plummet, jobs will be cut, and pay halved.

Think, what is better the current system that has worked so efficiently for years or a new system, which will make the average German Worse Off, not better!

Count Maximilian Egon Christian Karl Aloys Emil Leo Richard Anton Von Fürstemberg
 
Luftwafer said:
But what of the industrialists?
These men, provide thousands with jobs, with 14 hour days productivity will plummet, jobs will be cut, and pay halved.

Think, what is better the current system that has worked so efficiently for years or a new system, which will make the average German Worse Off, not better!

Count Maximilian Egon Christian Karl Aloys Emil Leo Richard Anton Von Fürstemberg
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And what do you imagine will result if Germany continues to oppress the working class? That the working class will stop demanding their basic human rights? I'm sure any liberal, conservative or moderate government official can realize that the working German proletariat are a dangerous thing to have aligned against you.

The Industrialist doesn't deserve to be excused from the travesty of making his workers live in paupers pittances; if anything, he should be punished for it. Sickening how you can support the whims of those who seek to oppress.

Also, the theory that the German people will be poorer is a falsehood; forwarded by fools such as yourself.
 
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