Types of Government "Hurt and Heal"

[comagoosie]

Types of Government "Hurt and Heal"

Inspired by the most random of comments by mandead (he said he wanted credit ) Oh, by the way, he likes Noble Republic, so let's vote against it

Let's see if you guys remember how this is done.
Rules:

1. You may "hurt" one government twice, "hurt" two governments once, or "hurt" one and "heal" one. Please don't "heal" twice as it makes the game take forever. So please "hurt" at least one government.
2. Your vote can be for any reason.
3. Please copy and paste the list with the changes in bold. (The starting values for each government is 7).
4. And don't spam vote! Once per hour is fine.
5. This is for IN 3.1 only, so if you don't know what the national ideas do go to Europa Universalis III\common\governments.txt (sorry no wiki page) and find out
6. If two people voted before you at the same time, try to take into account both votes, thank you

The lineup:
Absolute Monarchy - 7
Administrative Monarchy - 7
Administrative Republic - 7
Bureaucratic despotism - 7
Constitutional Monarchy - 7
Constitutional Republic - 7
Despotic Monarchy - 7
Enlightened Despotism - 7
Feudal Monarchy - 7
Imperial Government - 7
Merchant Republic - 7
Noble Republic - 7
Papal Government - 7
Republican Dictatorship - 7
Revolutionary Empire - 7
Revolutionary Republic - 7
Theocratic Government - 7
Tribal Democracy - 7
Tribal Despotism - 7
Tribal Federation - 7

Dead:

1. Tribal Federation
2. Feudal Monarchy
3. Tribal Democracy
4. Papal Government
5. Tribal Despotism
6. Despotic Monarchy
7. Bureaucratic despotism
8. Merchant Republic
9. Theocratic Government
10. Republican Dictatorship
11. Enlightened Despotism
12. Revolutionary Republic
13. Administrative Monarchy
14. Absolute Monarchy
15. Revolutionary Empire
16. Constitutional Republic
17. Noble Republic
18. Imperial Government
19. Administrative Republic

The Winner of Types of Government "Hurt and Heal"

• Constitutional Monarchy

Other Hurt and Heals:
[thread=382097]Types of Government[/thread] Constitutional Monarchy
[thread=392908]Italian city states[/thread] Miang
[thread=391448]Government Types Take 2: The good, the bad and the ugly![/thread] Grubnessul - Administrative Republic
[thread=383245]Colonial Revolters[/thread] - Miang Peru
[thread=363576]National Idea[/thread] - National Conscripts
[thread=365798]Advisor Types[/thread] - commandant
[thread=370914]Slider Positions[/thread] - by King of Men (see below)
[thread=348276]Buildings[/thread] - not finished.

Aristocracy vs. Plutocracy : -5
Innovative vs. Narrow minded : -5
Mercantilism vs. Free Trade : -5
Offensive vs. Defensive : 5
Land vs. Naval : -5
Quality vs. Quantity : -5
Serfdom vs. Free Subjects : 5

 

[Capibara]

Haha, so this is your idea Let's participate then.

Absolute Monarchy - 7
Administrative Monarchy - 7
Administrative Republic - 7
Bureaucratic despotism - 7
Constitutional Monarchy - 7
Constitutional Republic - 7
Despotic Monarchy - 7
Enlightened Despotism - 7
Feudal Monarchy - 7
Imperial Government - 8
Merchant Republic - 7
Noble Republic - 7
Papal Government - 7
Republican Dictatorship - 7
Revolutionary Empire - 7
Revolutionary Republic - 7
Theocratic Government - 7
Tribal Democracy - 7
Tribal Despotism - 7
Tribal Federation - 6

 

[Crookback]

Presumably we use the previous one, right?

Absolute Monarchy - 7
Administrative Monarchy - 7
Administrative Republic - 7
Bureaucratic despotism - 7
Constitutional Monarchy - 7
Constitutional Republic - 7
Despotic Monarchy - 7
Enlightened Despotism - 7
Feudal Monarchy - 6 <-- BORRRINNGGG!
Imperial Government - 8
Merchant Republic - 7
Noble Republic - 8
Papal Government - 7
Republican Dictatorship - 7
Revolutionary Empire - 7
Revolutionary Republic - 7
Theocratic Government - 7
Tribal Democracy - 7
Tribal Despotism - 7
Tribal Federation - 6

 

[Flooper X]

Absolute Monarchy - 7
Administrative Monarchy - 7
Administrative Republic - 7
Bureaucratic despotism - 7
Constitutional Monarchy - 7
Constitutional Republic - 8
Despotic Monarchy - 7
Enlightened Despotism - 7
Feudal Monarchy - 6
Imperial Government - 8
Merchant Republic - 7
Noble Republic - 8
Papal Government - 7
Republican Dictatorship - 7
Revolutionary Empire - 7
Revolutionary Republic - 7
Theocratic Government - 6
Tribal Democracy - 7
Tribal Despotism - 7
Tribal Federation - 6

Hurt Theocratic government - It is a very pointless evolutionary dead-end, the only light at the end of the tunnel is the very small chance of becoming the papacy, which might be just as bad.

Heal Constitutional republic - it gives a nice income boost, and with IN the elections are more than enough to compensate for the loss of Royal Marriages. Add to that a nice adm. eff. and it is more or less the best gov in the game. Getting it is always my plan.

 

[unmerged(108051)]

-1 for Despotic Monarchy
+1 for Revolutionary Empire

 

[naggy]

Absolute Monarchy - 7
Administrative Monarchy - 7
Administrative Republic - 7
Bureaucratic despotism - 7
Constitutional Monarchy - 7
Constitutional Republic - 8
Despotic Monarchy - 6
Enlightened Despotism - 7
Feudal Monarchy - 6
Imperial Government - 9
Merchant Republic - 6
Noble Republic - 8
Papal Government - 7
Republican Dictatorship - 7
Revolutionary Empire - 8
Revolutionary Republic - 7
Theocratic Government - 6
Tribal Democracy - 7
Tribal Despotism - 7
Tribal Federation - 6

Hurt: Merchiepublic - Craptastic benefits that don't compensate for the early advantages of monarchy (ability to be HR Emperor, RM's)

Heal: Empire! You're an Emperor! Who needs other reasons? If you do - good centralization limit, good admin efficiency early, can move to Noblepublic when it's available, and morale is nice early.

 

[unmerged(48636)]

Absolute Monarchy - 7
Administrative Monarchy - 7
Administrative Republic - 7
Bureaucratic despotism - 7
Constitutional Monarchy - 8
Constitutional Republic - 7
Despotic Monarchy - 6
Enlightened Despotism - 7
Feudal Monarchy - 6
Imperial Government - 9
Merchant Republic - 6
Noble Republic - 8
Papal Government - 7
Republican Dictatorship - 7
Revolutionary Empire - 8
Revolutionary Republic - 7
Theocratic Government - 6
Tribal Democracy - 7
Tribal Despotism - 7
Tribal Federation - 6

 

[unmerged(87447)]

Absolute Monarchy - 7
Administrative Monarchy - 7
Administrative Republic - 8
Bureaucratic despotism - 7
Constitutional Monarchy - 8
Constitutional Republic - 7
Despotic Monarchy - 5
Enlightened Despotism - 7
Feudal Monarchy - 6
Imperial Government - 9
Merchant Republic - 6
Noble Republic - 8
Papal Government - 7
Republican Dictatorship - 7
Revolutionary Empire - 8
Revolutionary Republic - 7
Theocratic Government - 6
Tribal Democracy - 7
Tribal Despotism - 7
Tribal Federation - 6

Administrative Republic: Trading nation plus administrative republic = even more obscene amounts of money. . It's pretty damn nice, especially fairly early in the game for the income boost it can provide.

Despotic Monarchy: Bleh. Yay, I get to conquer some lands a few years earlier than I might of done otherwise. It's a bloody 400-year game, for Christ's sake. Sure, Cabinet NI's pretty much mandatory for speeding up expansion, but this doesn't even do that - it just moves the timeline forward a tad.

 

[EUROO7]

Absolute Monarchy - 7
Administrative Monarchy - 7
Administrative Republic - 8
Bureaucratic despotism - 7
Constitutional Monarchy - 8
Constitutional Republic - 7
Despotic Monarchy - 5
Enlightened Despotism - 7
Feudal Monarchy - 6
Imperial Government - 9
Merchant Republic - 6
Noble Republic - 8
Papal Government - 7
Republican Dictatorship - 7
Revolutionary Empire - 8
Revolutionary Republic - 7
Theocratic Government - 6
Tribal Democracy - 7
Tribal Despotism - 7
Tribal Federation - 4

Hurt Tribal Federation X2: Let's get rid of the Tribals early before someone takes their side.

 

[unmerged(89831)]

Absolute Monarchy - 7
Administrative Monarchy - 7
Administrative Republic - 8
Bureaucratic despotism - 6
Constitutional Monarchy - 8
Constitutional Republic - 7
Despotic Monarchy - 5
Enlightened Despotism - 7
Feudal Monarchy - 6
Imperial Government - 9
Merchant Republic - 6
Noble Republic - 8
Papal Government - 7
Republican Dictatorship - 7
Revolutionary Empire - 8
Revolutionary Republic - 7
Theocratic Government - 6
Tribal Democracy - 8
Tribal Despotism - 7
Tribal Federation - 4

 

[EUROO7]

Tribal Democracy - 8

I'm too late!

 

[comagoosie]

I'm too late!

Heh, I am actually, partly, partial to tribal federation. I think the trade income brought in is quite amazing and can set off some of the early tech differences. Now... I wouldn't recommend staying at a federation

 

[UniversalWolf]

Absolute Monarchy - 7
Administrative Monarchy - 7
Administrative Republic - 8
Bureaucratic despotism - 6
Constitutional Monarchy - 8
Constitutional Republic - 7
Despotic Monarchy - 5
Enlightened Despotism - 7
Feudal Monarchy - 4
Imperial Government - 9
Merchant Republic - 6
Noble Republic - 8
Papal Government - 7
Republican Dictatorship - 7
Revolutionary Empire - 8
Revolutionary Republic - 7
Theocratic Government - 6
Tribal Democracy - 8
Tribal Despotism - 7
Tribal Federation - 4

Feudal Monarchy is an obsolete form of government in 1299, much less 1399. :wacko:

 

[Cuthuthulu]

Absolute Monarchy - 7
Administrative Monarchy - 7
Administrative Republic - 8
Bureaucratic despotism - 6
Constitutional Monarchy - 8
Constitutional Republic - 7
Despotic Monarchy - 5
Enlightened Despotism - 7
Feudal Monarchy - 4
Imperial Government - 10
Merchant Republic - 6
Noble Republic - 8
Papal Government - 7
Republican Dictatorship - 7
Revolutionary Empire - 8
Revolutionary Republic - 7
Theocratic Government - 6
Tribal Democracy - 8
Tribal Despotism - 7
Tribal Federation - 3

Empires are cool! Tribes are not!

 

[LeoGecko]

Absolute Monarchy - 7
Administrative Monarchy - 8
Administrative Republic - 8
Bureaucratic despotism - 6
Constitutional Monarchy - 8
Constitutional Republic - 7
Despotic Monarchy - 5
Enlightened Despotism - 7
Feudal Monarchy - 3
Imperial Government - 10
Merchant Republic - 6
Noble Republic - 8
Papal Government - 7
Republican Dictatorship - 7
Revolutionary Empire - 8
Revolutionary Republic - 7
Theocratic Government - 6
Tribal Democracy - 8
Tribal Despotism - 7
Tribal Federation - 3

Feudalism is so 10th century.

 

[Mannisks]

Absolute Monarchy - 7
Administrative Monarchy - 8
Administrative Republic - 8
Bureaucratic despotism - 6
Constitutional Monarchy - 8
Constitutional Republic - 7
Despotic Monarchy - 5
Enlightened Despotism - 7
Feudal Monarchy - 3
Imperial Government - 10
Merchant Republic - 6
Noble Republic - 9
Papal Government - 6
Republican Dictatorship - 7
Revolutionary Empire - 8
Revolutionary Republic - 7
Theocratic Government - 6
Tribal Democracy - 8
Tribal Despotism - 7
Tribal Federation - 3

I like 8 years between elections and early republics and the "prince" title. Also, I like change, and Papal Government never brings change.

 

[semaphore]

Absolute Monarchy - 7
Administrative Monarchy - 8
Administrative Republic - 8
Bureaucratic despotism - 6
Constitutional Monarchy - 8
Constitutional Republic - 7
Despotic Monarchy - 5
Enlightened Despotism - 7
Feudal Monarchy - 2
Imperial Government - 11
Merchant Republic - 6
Noble Republic - 9
Papal Government - 6
Republican Dictatorship - 7
Revolutionary Empire - 8
Revolutionary Republic - 7
Theocratic Government - 6
Tribal Democracy - 8
Tribal Despotism - 7
Tribal Federation - 3

Empire is just cool
Feudal monarchy can be a bit unpleasant, in contrast, when it comes to nasty event chains...

 

[Rastar]

Absolute Monarchy - 7
Administrative Monarchy - 8
Administrative Republic - 8
Bureaucratic despotism - 6
Constitutional Monarchy - 8
Constitutional Republic - 7
Despotic Monarchy - 5
Enlightened Despotism - 7
Feudal Monarchy - 2
Imperial Government - 12
Merchant Republic - 6
Noble Republic - 9
Papal Government - 6
Republican Dictatorship - 7
Revolutionary Empire - 8
Revolutionary Republic - 7
Theocratic Government - 6
Tribal Democracy - 7
Tribal Despotism - 7
Tribal Federation - 3

I usually don't switch out of Empire to Noble Republic, as really like the higher centralization limit.

More hatin' on the tribes.

 

[Baneslave]

Absolute Monarchy - 7
Administrative Monarchy - 8
Administrative Republic - 8
Bureaucratic despotism - 6
Constitutional Monarchy - 8
Constitutional Republic - 7
Despotic Monarchy - 5
Enlightened Despotism - 7
Feudal Monarchy - 1
Imperial Government - 12
Merchant Republic - 6
Noble Republic - 9
Papal Government - 6
Republican Dictatorship - 7
Revolutionary Empire - 8
Revolutionary Republic - 7
Theocratic Government - 6
Tribal Democracy - 7
Tribal Despotism - 6
Tribal Federation - 3

Hurt Feudal Monarchy
Hurt Tribal Despotism

 

[unmerged(46195)]

Succession Wars alone should make getting rid of Tribal Gov'ts a no-brainer. Even Feudal Monarchy is preferable.

Absolute Monarchy - 7
Administrative Monarchy - 8
Administrative Republic - 8
Bureaucratic despotism - 6
Constitutional Monarchy - 8
Constitutional Republic - 7
Despotic Monarchy - 5
Enlightened Despotism - 7
Feudal Monarchy - 1
Imperial Government - 12
Merchant Republic - 6
Noble Republic - 9
Papal Government - 6
Republican Dictatorship - 7
Revolutionary Empire - 8
Revolutionary Republic - 7
Theocratic Government - 6
Tribal Democracy - 6
Tribal Despotism - 5
Tribal Federation - 3

Tribal Democracy -1
Tribal Despotism -1