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I have to said that (sadly) Lunarc have a point here. France is ripe for a socialist takeover...

10% of the population supporting the French Communist party does not mean that 10% of the pooulation supports a paramilitary coup to seize France. And that postwar number reflects the ideological glow of WW2, where the Soviets are the ones who marched into the lair of the fascist beast.

If France is so weak and ripe for Communist takeover, why did the French Assembly erupt into applause when Daladier promised 50,000 men for Finland?
 
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Maybe you've misunderstood what I was talking about when I said takeover. I wasn't talking about a coup, but rather pointing out that in the event of elections a new Front National might score good numbers considering they still formed the government back in 1938. And by socialist I wasn't necessary talking about communist.

I don't think France is weak though. They stopped to German blitzkrieg afterall. What I think is that war exhaustion will soon makes its appearence and that overextention should be avoided.
 
First, parliament is absolutely not representative of one country, mostly when he was elected three years before. xD
Then, I just indicate one way of the orthodoxs communist propaganda after war.
OTL, the great idea of the PCF direction after the war was the reunification with SFIO into the POF and have part to the governement, not the revolution.
I'm absolutely not sure revolution is coming in France in this TL, just a shift to the left after the war(like after many war).
 
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That's what I'm talking about too, a rise in popularity of the socialists. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
 
For new readers:
- Norway and France still stands

- Japan never joined the Axis
- Soviet union is at war with the Axis, as well as the Allies
- Italy has surrendered to the Allies
- Sweden, and Finland has also joined the Allies
- Hitler and Mussolini are dead




8 - 15 January '41 - 150 miles from Berlin


"We aren't going to sit around and wait!"

- General Roger Evans, January. 1941 -


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(London)
So General Roger Evans is a mad bugger, the Germans are ready to surrender, and the Soviets are not too happy about it. 1941 is turning out quite differently than what I had thought a year ago. But as we have our enemy on the ropes, cracks are starting to emerge within our own foundation. I am worried, dear friend. The fires that fuelled this war has not been put out. The conflict has not been resolved. We could be looking at an armistice to last another decade and then right back into the flames.
Grab a chair, old boy, and let's have a look at the war report for the week.​


COUNTER-ATTACK ON TRIER:

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Allies wounded/captured/killed: 35 000
Axis wounded/captured/killed: 40 000
Last week we believed the battle of Trier to be finished. The French had secured the town and were readying for another push. Well the Germans had other plans. Reinforced by troops from the Siegfried line The Huns launched a large counter-attack on the province last night. It's looking to be another gruesome battle with 40 000 casualties this week alone! General Dill is attempting to hold the British posts. The French aren't happy about the situation. This new government has brought the as much death and suffering as the last, and now that they might beat the Germans early the Russians will be waiting for them.


HANNOVER FALLS:

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This is where the war will be won. At 12:00 today, General Alan Brooke secured the victory by pushing back General Rommel's North army. A lesser known General Roger Evans, of the 1st armour division, used this opportunity to make a mad dash towards Magdeburg. With incredible speed and vicious tenacity General Evans have pushed through Hannover and his men are now a mere 150 miles from Berlin. He is now having to fight alone against the the German army on the west, as Rommel himself is moving in from the South. General Alan Brooke is now hurrying to catch up. Whatever the folly, we are closing in on Berlin.


THE BLOODY IRONSIDE LINE:
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If the Germans are showing signs of weakness in this war it is not possible to spot it in Italy. For weeks General Busch has waged his own personal war against our own Ironside. He seems to pay little attention to the central command and has time and time attempted to breach the Italian line and taken Milan, Parma, or Bologna. We have lost a lot of lives keeping them out. And It is accumulating fast. Italy is quickly turning in to another new western front.


REDEPLOYMENT TO THE AUCHINLECK LINE:
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As the ships in Halifax are returning, retrieving yet another Canadian motorised infantry division, 7 Allied divisions landed in Ålesund this week and have been diverted to transports that will take them to the Auchinleck line in the North. They should be there on the 24th, and hopefully in the nick of time. For the Russians have already reached our border, and I fear very soon the war for Scandinavia will erupt.


OSTFRONT:
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Soviet wounded/captured/killed: 50 000
Axis wounded/captured/killed: 30 000
The war on the East has not gone as well as the Russians hoped it would. Stalin has had a whole year to equip his men. to build tanks and planes. But the Soviets do not think the same way the Germans do. The Huns move independently. They are quick, flexible, and cunning. The Reds however, they're scared, clumsy, and their generals are fat fools who have made their way to the top by kissing party leaders in the arse! excuse my Scottish there, chap.
But they have the manpower, and the German people are close to breaking, the Nazi war has proven to be their worst mistake and they want out of it.


GOERING WILL STEP DOWN:
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Intel's in concerning the German government and their handling of Goering's leadership. We have all the reasons to believe Goering looks to be replaced by a more Allied friendly figurehead as the Nazi party makes its last attempt to salvage the nation. We do not have a name for this new leader, but we can already see a denazification occurring within the reich. So we believe it will be a more composed and understanding figure. One who can bring the fascist and the more liberal and anti-war folk together.


FRANCE WILLING TO SIGN ARMISTICE WITH GERMANY:
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They have won every large battle, and they have bled with us. But the French are tired and war weary, and it's a miracle they made it this far. The New French government did not turn out to be what the French people wanted and there are concerns from Bletchley Park that a leftist coup might occur within the year. There is but one way they can prevent it. If the French people want peace, then by signing an armistice with Germany they can prolong a land war with Russia for another year.

The next 2 weeks will be bloody, but it might appear that come February the war with the Axis, with Germany might be over.

England Expects.


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Sounds like the Krauts are getting some sense knocked into them by our lads!

Hopefully this new Kraut leader will be happy to fight the reds still, and install a democratic regime.
 
With both nazis and prussian militarists discredited, now literally anything may happen.

What about calls for non-prussian, non-nazi, but still anti-communist state? There would be some still unaffected people. Like Bavarian elites, still greatly loyal to Rupprecht, the Crown Prince of House Wittelsbach - the person Kaiser Wilhelm considered to be a possible rival for German throne.

Moderate Kingdom of Germany with british-like constitution?
That should be acceptable for conservatives, liberals and social democrats and British just as same.

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@MacGowan oh, I need to wonder what are you going to be doing with Germany since there is still the German Imperial family alive. Even Kaiser Wilhelm II could be reinstated (it is just a insane solution besides he is going to die on 4 June of this year.) Most likely you would look to Kaiser Wilhelm III as he is the most likely to rule Germany under a constitutional monarchy. About Rupprecht of Bavaria he is Catholic and I very much doubt the Northern German States would accept his rule. Although you could reinstate democracy in Germany (not sure why though that is just an option) a wild solution would be dissolving Germany as a state and allow both Prussia and Bavaria to be Kingdoms aligned with Britian to both solve the German question that has been on our minds since Hitler's Assassination.
 
Another option to avoid antagonizing the Soviets would be to create TWO states - Bavaria in the South and Westphalia in the North - out of our share of Germany. This would remove the danger of tensions over which successor state is the "true" Germany and provide a base for a new non-prussian non-nazi nationalism to build stable countries out of.
 
Another option to avoid antagonizing the Soviets would be to create TWO states - Bavaria in the South and Westphalia in the North - out of our share of Germany. This would remove the danger of tensions over which successor state is the "true" Germany and provide a base for a new non-prussian non-nazi nationalism to build stable countries out of.
Exactly as I am saying although Westphalia was a Napoleonic creation, I would prefer to call a northern German State Prussia or Hannover, but not Westphalia, speaking of Hannover you could give its pretender Ernst August, Duke of Brunswick his throne back as Ernst August III of Hannover.
 
Another option to avoid antagonizing the Soviets would be to create TWO states - Bavaria in the South and Westphalia in the North - out of our share of Germany. This would remove the danger of tensions over which successor state is the "true" Germany and provide a base for a new non-prussian non-nazi nationalism to build stable countries out of.
Frankly, if we make a peace now, I don't think this is possible. If we can simply remove the Nazis from power and return Germany to its 1919 borders, I'd be satisfied.
 
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Now that we're actually winning, I think it's appropriate for us to impose terms upon the Germans in exchange for peace and a mutual war effort against the Soviets. However, rather than striking at Germany itself, I think our efforts are better put forward towards seeing the release of the nations conquered by Germany rather than returning the border situation to something as completely ridiculous as the 1919 borders which, reminder, started this mess in the first place.

A return to 1936, I believe, would be the best option going forward. The sooner we all move towards the Soviet menace, the better.
 
Now that we're actually winning, I think it's appropriate for us to impose terms upon the Germans in exchange for peace and a mutual war effort against the Soviets. However, rather than striking at Germany itself, I think our efforts are better put forward towards seeing the release of the nations conquered by Germany rather than returning the border situation to something as completely ridiculous as the 1919 borders which, reminder, started this mess in the first place.

A return to 1936, I believe, would be the best option going forward. The sooner we all move towards the Soviet menace, the better.

How do 1919 and 1936 differ?
 
@MacGowan oh, I need to wonder what are you going to be doing with Germany since there is still the German Imperial family alive. Even Kaiser Wilhelm II could be reinstated (it is just a insane solution besides he is going to die on 4 June of this year.) Most likely you would look to Kaiser Wilhelm III as he is the most likely to rule Germany under a constitutional monarchy. About Rupprecht of Bavaria he is Catholic and I very much doubt the Northern German States would accept his rule. Although you could reinstate democracy in Germany (not sure why though that is just an option) a wild solution would be dissolving Germany as a state and allow both Prussia and Bavaria to be Kingdoms aligned with Britian to both solve the German question that has been on our minds since Hitler's Assassination.

it can be solved quite simply, since he has 11 children: his heir (to German throne) would convert to Protestantism of necessary (although i doubt it's such a big issue in 20th century, since Germany already is protestant-catholic coexisting mixture), while the other one (heir to crown of bavaria) would remain Catholic. Wittelsbach is same old house like Hohenzollern and Rupprecht's ancestors were HRE Emperors - btw. Charles VII was HRE Emperor in 18th century, so in fact, Catholic Emperor ruled over Protestants, no matter how little power he held.

but even without him and his house, there are still other houses...like Saxe-Coburg-Gothas and Hanovers :)

in any case, Hohenzollerns and Prussians generally should step aside. enough catastrophes. just because they created modern German state doesn't give them right to destroy it, with it's people in it by their megalomania and arrogance.
deprussianization is more important than denazification.

British government may reconsider some changes in Titles Deprivation Act 1917 and maybe, unofficially, let still very German-friendly Duke of Windsor to have some tea in Switzerland with few foreign aristocrats and officers?
 
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Another option to avoid antagonizing the Soviets would be to create TWO states - Bavaria in the South and Westphalia in the North - out of our share of Germany. This would remove the danger of tensions over which successor state is the "true" Germany and provide a base for a new non-prussian non-nazi nationalism to build stable countries out of.
And the Communist rat comes out of the hole again! Someone get my cudgel, I'll end this little nuisance once and for all!
@MacGowan oh, I need to wonder what are you going to be doing with Germany since there is still the German Imperial family alive. Even Kaiser Wilhelm II could be reinstated (it is just a insane solution besides he is going to die on 4 June of this year.) Most likely you would look to Kaiser Wilhelm III as he is the most likely to rule Germany under a constitutional monarchy. About Rupprecht of Bavaria he is Catholic and I very much doubt the Northern German States would accept his rule. Although you could reinstate democracy in Germany (not sure why though that is just an option) a wild solution would be dissolving Germany as a state and allow both Prussia and Bavaria to be Kingdoms aligned with Britian to both solve the German question that has been on our minds since Hitler's Assassination.
I agree with the sentiment that we should sooner picker a Hohenzollern over a Wittelsbach. The former is related to our own royal family by blood, to the point where the great war monarchs were cousins. Wilhelm II is, however, obviously out of the question. He has a very evident little man syndrome that got his country into this mess to begin with and his health is deteriorating. His son, Kronprinz Wilhelm, is probably more sane, and his heir is named Louis, so I'm guessing he's not so hostile towards the French. Most importantly though, a promise of restoring the monarchy would IMMEDIATELY mobilize the conservative elements of Germany to our side. They're likely sick and tired of these upstart demogogues ruling Germany. And if we restrict said monarch's powers enough we could get the liberals on board as well. Whoever Goering's successor might be, two things are almost certainly guaranteed: He's going to be old enough to remember the Kaiserreich with some nostalgia, and he's going to be rather conservative. He would probably be open to an idea like this, provided our intelligence is correct and he isn't another inner circle buffoon.
 
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Now that we're actually winning, I think it's appropriate for us to impose terms upon the Germans in exchange for peace and a mutual war effort against the Soviets. However, rather than striking at Germany itself, I think our efforts are better put forward towards seeing the release of the nations conquered by Germany rather than returning the border situation to something as completely ridiculous as the 1919 borders which, reminder, started this mess in the first place.

A return to 1936, I believe, would be the best option going forward. The sooner we all move towards the Soviet menace, the better.
Um, like J_Master said, aren't those the same borders, more or less? At least on Germany's side, the only difference I can think of is the re-militarisation of the Rhineland, if you count that as a border change. Versailles did not start this mess, the failure of the British and French - our failure - to enforce it did.

I certainly support the release of Germany's captive nations, though for many of those that will be simply a platitude, given that they are or will be under Soviet occupation (which has it's advantages - the Germans will stomach releasing territory much better if they've already lost it.)

I'm not sure restoring the Kaiserreich is a realistic option at this stage. What we need is a reasonable, non-expansionist, anti-Soviet regime that's been properly denazified, but whether that's a republic, a constitutional monarchy, or even a military junta is fairly secondary.
 
Um, like J_Master said, aren't those the same borders, more or less? At least on Germany's side, the only difference I can think of is the re-militarisation of the Rhineland, if you count that as a border change. Versailles did not start this mess, the failure of the British and French - our failure - to enforce it did.

I certainly support the release of Germany's captive nations, though for many of those that will be simply a platitude, given that they are or will be under Soviet occupation (which has it's advantages - the Germans will stomach releasing territory much better if they've already lost it.)

I'm not sure restoring the Kaiserreich is a realistic option at this stage. What we need is a reasonable, non-expansionist, anti-Soviet regime that's been properly denazified, but whether that's a republic, a constitutional monarchy, or even a military junta is fairly secondary.
It's really a matter of deciding with of those latter things would most help us achieve the former.
 
I think some ol' chaps are forgetting tiny detail: Allied armies are deep in Germany and Red Army steamrolls from the east. this is much worse situation than during Hundred Days Offensive. Germans can negoatiate, but they hardly can bargain for everything, just like that. Allied demands will be felt like powerful bitchslap.

Hohenzollerns and junker elite generally are unacceptable by British. Kaiser is still enemy of the world, French, although shattering nation, still hates l'prussianisme above everything.

Social conservative or liberal Germany, but only as true constitutional monarchy with democracy and without Willies and junker landowners/officers, truly responsible for both Great War and rise of Nazism. they must pay.
any sane and any moderate German must understood such conditions, after everything what happened and what happens now.