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I'd be careful putting too much stock in the Italian push. Certainly it's a good plan and one that should be pursued, but I'd imagine the Huns will recognise this and send reinforcements eventually when it becomes clear that NW Europe is a no-go for an offensive.

I'd suggest reaching the Alps to establish a suitable defensive position whilst simultaneously pressuring Southwards for an Italian surrender. Essentially seal Italy off and then digest it in good time. The desert means nothing if the boot falls. Perhaps a two pronged assault, with a land push Southwards and an amphibious assault somewhere in the South to draw off forces and hasten the Italian defeat?
 
@MacGowan Is that really a thing in vanilla, a revolution in Germany if they fail to capture France?
No, I "mod" things if I feel they need to be for more historical accuracy. Currently I've only had to "mod" some small dissent (from change to realistic ministers) and the exit of Chamberlain.

If Hitler fails to capture both Norway, and France, opening up a costly trench war on the West. And then gets invaded by the Soviets? Well the Germans aren't going to follow this precious Fuhrer into the abyss. So I might look into raising a fair amount of dissent, partisans. Whatever the community here and I deem realistic.
I'd be careful putting too much stock in the Italian push. Certainly it's a good plan and one that should be pursued, but I'd imagine the Huns will recognise this and send reinforcements eventually when it becomes clear that NW Europe is a no-go for an offensive.
Agreed. Of course this push is great news, but I too am worried about about France over-extending down to the boot, and getting cut off by the Germans.
I'd suggest reaching the Alps to establish a suitable defensive position whilst simultaneously pressuring Southwards for an Italian surrender.
Agreed. The small British force we could divert should be used to secure North Italy. And would probably be best away from the frontline. I imagine 6 British Indian divisions landing in June and holding Genoa, Alessandria, Milan, Bergamo. Basically the provinces in front of the Alps. Freeing up French divisions to move South into Italy and North into Austria.

The desert means nothing if the boot falls.
The things I care about in Africa:
  1. The link to Asia through the Suez Canal.
  2. Alexandria ports which supply several fleets.
  3. The victory points we loose. (It makes us look rather bad in the eyes of the British people.)
Perhaps a two pronged assault, with a land push Southwards and an amphibious assault somewhere in the South to draw off forces and hasten the Italian defeat?
Our amphibious assault capabilities are shite. And Italy is guarding her beaches well.

If Germany diverts enough forces to Italy to help out, we might not need to attack through Austria, we might launch a counter-attack from Belgium...
 
I assume as the triggers for the fall of Paris have not been reached that the German Balkan allies are not in play?
 
I assume as the triggers for the fall of Paris have not been reached that the German Balkan allies are not in play?

Germany needs to hold Paris to bring in the Balkan allies by event. Nothing to stop the AI from deciding to join, though.
 
Germany needs to hold Paris to bring in the Balkan allies by event. Nothing to stop the AI from deciding to join, though.
Paris is needed for a lot of stuff in vanilla.
 
Paris is needed for a lot of stuff in vanilla.

Yeah, if the Allies hold Paris sometime after half a year after the start of the war to start their own diplomatic offensive, iirc. It brings in Turkey, and other nations, I believe. I dunno if it brings it Latin America, or if that still requires USA, but I know it gives Turkey a chance to join the Allies, but I can't say much more as I'm not too familiar with the event chain.

EDIT: Found the events, they can bring in:

Yugoslavia, Romania, Turkey, Greece, Republican Spain (Not Applicable), and the Soviet Union!!! (still Not Applicable this game, sadly - Although I could be wrong, I can't see you taking advantage of it.)

The above fit into Allied Diplomatic Offensive in Europe, there is a separate chain and decision for Central and South America.
 
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Yeah, if the Allies hold Paris sometime after half a year after the start of the war to start their own diplomatic offensive, iirc. It brings in Turkey, and other nations, I believe. I dunno if it brings it Latin America, or if that still requires USA, but I know it gives Turkey a chance to join the Allies, but I can't say much more as I'm not too familiar with the event chain.

EDIT: Found the events, they can bring in:

Yugoslavia, Romania, Turkey, Greece, Republican Spain (Not Applicable), and the Soviet Union!!! (still Not Applicable this game, sadly - Although I could be wrong, I can't see you taking advantage of it.)

The above fit into Allied Diplomatic Offensive in Europe, there is a separate chain and decision for Central and South America.
I knew there was something like this if you held paris long enough
 
I suppose it would make sense to be able to bring in allies in the event of greater Allied success in the West. If France holds, Yugoslavia and Greece would give some extra divisions for the Italian/Austrian front (or, for the cynic, provide a distraction for German/Italian forces in the form of a Balkan front); I fear allying Romania and Turkey might be needed once the Allies seem ready to meet the Soviets in Europe, but until then, those countries are best kept from conflict with the Soviet Union. &&tbh I could see the USSR being wary about attacking these countries, or at least Turkey. They may fear having Allied forces pushing into their valued oil fields, or British forces make landings in the Black sea if that were to happen. Some gunboat diplomacy and careful maneuvering in the area would reasonably be able to keep Turkey out of either camp, but I admit, Stalin wasn't always reasonable. Romania will be harder to defend, and if the Allies have vulnerable assets the Balkans (i.e possibly Greece/Yugo) the Soviets could reasonably seek to attack Romania to get to defeat the Allies on a land front.
 
I suppose it would make sense to be able to bring in allies in the event of greater Allied success in the West. If France holds, Yugoslavia and Greece would give some extra divisions for the Italian/Austrian front (or, for the cynic, provide a distraction for German/Italian forces in the form of a Balkan front); I fear allying Romania and Turkey might be needed once the Allies seem ready to meet the Soviets in Europe, but until then, those countries are best kept from conflict with the Soviet Union. &&tbh I could see the USSR being wary about attacking these countries, or at least Turkey. They may fear having Allied forces pushing into their valued oil fields, or British forces make landings in the Black sea if that were to happen. Some gunboat diplomacy and careful maneuvering in the area would reasonably be able to keep Turkey out of either camp, but I admit, Stalin wasn't always reasonable. Romania will be harder to defend, and if the Allies have vulnerable assets the Balkans (i.e possibly Greece/Yugo) the Soviets could reasonably seek to attack Romania to get to defeat the Allies on a land front.


Unfortunately, I believe that the first decision (Allied Diplomatic Offensive in Europe) triggers further events, that have different times at which they trigger, depending on variables. MacGowan would have little control of who decides to join when.
 
Unfortunately, I believe that the first decision (Allied Diplomatic Offensive in Europe) triggers further events, that have different times at which they trigger, depending on variables. MacGowan would have little control of who decides to join when.

If i'm not mistaken, that event, like Germany's version, launches the "Align X" series of events for a set of countries. Except, are the events for the countries themselves, or are they for the U.K? (which would at least let MacGowan stop the countries he might want to stop entering from entering) I ask because i'm pretty sure the Axis counterpart gives Germany the events, not Romania/Bulgaria/Vichy/Nat.Spain/Iraq
 
If i'm not mistaken, that event, like Germany's version, launches the "Align X" series of events for a set of countries. Except, are the events for the countries themselves, or are they for the U.K? (which would at least let MacGowan stop the countries he might want to stop entering from entering) I ask because i'm pretty sure the Axis counterpart gives Germany the events, not Romania/Bulgaria/Vichy/Nat.Spain/Iraq

Germany gets decisions, Britain gets events with a MTTH and a chance of refusal. I don't think Germany can be refused by the Balkan Axis, as opposed to Britain's overtures possibly being declined.
 
Yes I am aware that the Axis just need troops near the borders of the balkan states to align them.
 



29 May - 5 June '40 - The battle of Belgium


"The French soldier dies for victory and defeat, while the British army now stands idly by."

- General Maurice Gamelin, 3rd June 1940 -


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(London)
Come in, old boy. So sorry for the late meeting, but the War cabinet has had plenty of things to discus today. As a result that meeting went a bit longer than I had thought. I'll have Ms Darling fetch some refreshments for us before she leaves for the night.
Some rather important events transpired this week and we are now at a most critical point of the war. The French have lost too many soldiers, and we are unsure of how much longer they can withstand the German punishment. RAF has reached the breaking point. And Africa is a slowly unfolding conundrum.


THE WAR AGAINST ITALY:

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WE NOW GUARANTEE GREEK INDEPENDENCE:
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Early this week, the government officially issued a statement guaranteeing the sovereignty of Greece. The Balkans have long been under the greedy eyes of the Axis and fascist powers. Greece now needs our help, our strength at their backs. The terrain there makes it ideal for defence without the need to tie down too many soldiers. However, our strength is rather depleted at it is. Hopefully, we have deterred any further aggression on her borders.


ITALIAN NAVY SINKS 10 MORE FRENCH DESTROYERS:
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God damn it, at this rate there will be neither a French or a Italian fleet in the Mediterranean sea. Not that I'm complaining about the latter, but the Italians seem to be dishing out the heavier punishment. We need the French to be able to continue to patrol those seas. We are stretched thin as it is.


ROYAL NAVY BLOCKADE:
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Some better news on our front. The blockade of the North sea is still being enforced with a 99% success rate. This week we sank another 27 Italian merchant ships and 5 escort ships. This turned into a rather pesky battle. One that caused Home Fleet some damage.


HMS FURIOUS SENT TO NORWICH FOR REPAIR:
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The HMS Furious was one of those ships that took the brunt of that battle. Thankfully we have reinforced Channel Force and though the air carrier will be missed, she is not essential for our blockade. In fact, there are a few larger ships docked for repair as of now. Don't worry though, it's all apart of our regular cycling of ships. HMS Furious will be back before you know it, and to be honest, The North sea is the only part of the war that has been a walk in the park lately for our brave boys. Long live Dudley Pound!


ITALY PULLING OUT FORCES FROM AFRICA?:
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This is a rather interesting turn of events. This week French naval forces engaged a smaller Italian force off the coast of Tripoli, where they sank 2 transport ships. Are the Italians attempting to re-mobilise forces to Rome? If they are, it is imperative that we cut them off. I'd rather have those 15 Italian divisions stranded in North Africa than see them reinforce North Italy.


AUSTRALIAN FLEET IN THE MEDITERRANEAN:
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Therefore the Australian Fleet, which newly rebased to Alexandria for Mediterranean operations was sent to the coast of Tripoli to prevent any further Italian evacuation. If they are to attempt to cross over they will have to go through some rather heavy naval firepower.
However, as Churchill pointed out at the recent meeting, this fleet we have in place is not equipped to handle a strong submarine attack. And that is what the Italians are packing. The Australian fleet will only be good at stopping the transport ships, and the odd battleship fleet. What a gambit we run, chap.


ROYAL NAVY SUBMARINE FLEET ALSO IN THE MEDITERRANEAN:
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Down from the far North Baltic seas, another fleet we diverted to the Mediterranean is the Royal Navy Submarine fleet. Another measure to prevent any sea fairing mobilisation from the enemy. Their main mission however is to destroy what convoys that make it through the primary blockade of the North sea. We will starve Mussolini and his boys out!


ITALIAN ENERGY CRISIS:

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Speaking of which, we have some unconfirmed information from SIS agents deep within Italy that we seem to be causing some rather critical energy problems to the Italians. If these news are to believed, we can contribute this to our successful blockade, and that means we must priorities this strategy and keep at our guns, old boy! If Italy is truly suffering from supply crisis this early in the game? Well my gosh! We might have them by the neck!


LONE BRITISH INDIAN CAVALRY RUSHED TO THE ITALIAN FRONT:
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Time is the name of the game, and we are throwing in everything we have as fast as we can. General Francis Tuker was newly assigned a lone British Raj cavalry which was hastily diverted from North Africa by our Mediterranean fleet which picked them up near the Battle of Sidi Barrani. They landed in Genoa, Italy today, and were immediately sent to Alessandria to reinforce in case of a counter-attack from Italy. We are betting everything on this horse now. By attacking Italy HARD we might be able to relieve both North Africa and the Western Front in the matter of a month. But we must keep up the pressure. General Tuker's division is a rather poor and outdated one, but it will help the French do their job, which is to push forwards into the Italian heartland.


THE WAR AGAINST GERMANY:
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RAF AND ARMÉE DE L'AIR, CLOSE TO BROKEN:
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The bloody Huns... Air Chief Marshall Charles Portal told Churchill in no uncertain terms that the RAF is broken. That if the Armée de l'air is not, then it will be within the next week. France alone lost 75 more fighter planes in one battle this week.
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Look at these numbers just from 5 days of battle. It's unreal, it's unfathomable. Churchill has promised him 400 new RAF fighters and more important 400 freshly trained RAF pilots next week. But the United Kingdom alone has lost 2600 aircrafts within 1 year of this war. And the Luftwaffe factories seem to churn out plane after plane. As the war of the air is about to be lost, we need the RAF more than ever..


THE BATTLE OF BELGIUM:
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Hm... More unfathomable news.... France has lost 200 000 men these last weeks. Netherlands and Belgium 150 000 each. I know, I know! These numbers just numb you after a while. France is reaching her breaking point. But...

Miraculously...

Antwerp and Brussels were both successfully defended, and the Nazi bastards repelled. The newly promoted General Charles De Gaulle proved instrumental in driving the Huns out of Antwerp. What a bloody marvel of a man! The victory was short-lived though, as they have been forced to retreat to Brussels in order to reinforce the troops there who have come under a German counter-attack.

Between you and me, chap. These men have done more than enough. Churchill needs to get Gamelin's men out of the Lowlands. Pull back behind the Gort line, let us take it from here.​


THE WAR AGAINST USSR:
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The war against the Soviets has taken a backseat to the German invasion these last weeks. We do have our eyes on Turkey, as we have sent agents down there to give us a clearer picture on what chance the Russians have at invading that nation as a springboard to reach us.

The USSR is a tough nut to crack, old boy. All we know now is that they are gearing up with everything they have. If the alliance with Germany still stands, then we must destroy their fleet power. And create a defensive line all through Europe. There is no way we are marching in on Moscow. But could we cut them off, slow them down, and starve them out?​


FAILURE TO FUND PARTISANS IN STALINGRAD:
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Control and his boys have been busy though. However they have not been successful, as yet another partisan group was stopped from growing into a fully fledged force. this time in Stalingrad. Churchill was rather quiet when asked the question: "how do we beat the Russians?"


CHINA FLEET FINALY HUNTING FOR SOVIET SUBMARINES:
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At last our experimental anti-submarine group was ready to begin operations of the coast of South-Africa. This week alone we lost 3 merchant ships there, so it's about high time that we are now finally able to patrol those waters. Hopefully within the next few weeks China fleet will be successful in flushing out the pesky Soviet Wolfpack.

And that is it, old boy. Get home before dawn, and tell your missus I am truly sorry for having kept her husband here for so long during these ungodly hours.

Drive safe, and
England Expects.

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Huzzah! with luck and dogged allied courage, the backbone of the Hitlarist armies will be overcome. Surely if the exhausted French army can halt the Hun in Belgium, the Germans will be depleted by the time they come face to face with the fresh British troops waiting them.

The question remains will the line hold out against a concentrated German attack once they had the time to reorganize? I don't think the allies should wait to find out. An amphibious landing in southern Italy might divert German reinforcement and maybe even those dangerous Panzer divisions. Can you perhaps divert the Portuguese divisions for an amphibious landing? They might not be numerous but from the screen shots I have seen thus far, nether are the Italian defenses. I doubt Nationalist Spain will do anything so long as Paris stands. You can also make free use of any combat effective RAF wings or commonwealth squadrons without fear that the Luftwaffe might massacre them.

I once attempted a similar strategy while playing the Commune of France; I got bogged down in Belgium and knew that I could not withstand a long war of attrition. Fortunately, Austria became involved in the war and attacked the recently reunified Italian socialist state. At least a third of the German-Austrian armies were in time diverted to the Italian theater. On the eve of their conquest of the last remaining Italian provinces, I cut them off in northern Italy; trapping hundreds of thousands of soldiers.
 
The southern German flank in Belgium looks tempting for a small counter-attack. Hit and run.
 
how to defeat USSR? you must march into Russia, into Moscow, into Siberia, Central Asia, into Vladivostok.
there's no other option.

as a good start, be prepared to the moment the Germany will fight two-front wars again. when they'll start to bled dry, be prepared for that moment - march into Germany, hopefully with whole USArmy on your side and prepare warm welcome for the soviets in their march to Atlantic Ocean.

or else...


Japan is still a problem to come. it would be much easier if China in your timeline was able to drive them back to the sea. nationalists, will all the support, techs, supplies, are able to do it.
 
If France holds, Yugoslavia and Greece would give some extra divisions for the Italian/Austrian front.
Yes, but they would also be dragged into the USSR war.
I fear allying Romania and Turkey might be needed once the Allies seem ready to meet the Soviets in Europe, but until then, those countries are best kept from conflict with the Soviet Union. &&tbh I could see the USSR being wary about attacking these countries, or at least Turkey.
Agreed. Both Soviet Union and Britain know full well that the war will most likely go through Turkey.
The worst time would be now.
The best time would be to gather 100 divisions and march through Turkey, when the Russians have crossed into Germany and we can move towards Moscow, flanking the Russians between the Germans.
Surely if the exhausted French army can halt the Hun in Belgium, the Germans will be depleted by the time they come face to face with the fresh British troops waiting them.
That's what we're banking on. France must be hating us by now.
The question remains will the line hold out against a concentrated German attack once they had the time to reorganize?
We might not. But Germany is now spreading rather thin. Not counting the 30-ish allied divisions engaged in the lowlands, the Allies now have 100 divisions guarding 5 provinces. (granting that the Maginot line is not a problem).
Germany has 40 mobilised in the current Schlieffen Plan.
An amphibious landing in southern Italy might divert German reinforcement and maybe even those dangerous Panzer divisions.
Our amphibious assaults are shite. We were looking at assaulting an open beach from Ålesund, Norway to Arhus, Denmark a month ago for the same reasons. It was out of range.... Italy could not be invaded from North Africa. Perhaps from Genoa to Rome, or Anzio. But both of those beaches are defended. I'll take the blame, I should have researched the next step in Amphibious Invasions. But I didn't in my wildest dreams think I would be invading anything in 1940. Not to mention through naval invasion.
Can you perhaps divert the Portuguese divisions for an amphibious landing? They might not be numerous but from the screen shots I have seen thus far, nether are the Italian defenses. I doubt Nationalist Spain will do anything so long as Paris stands.
I was thinking about putting the Portugese to use a month ago. But Italy has been influencing National Spain ever since.
Last time we pulled forces out of Africa because we doubted Italy would dare to do anything. Now we see how well that worked out. So I withdrew the MC on Portugal.
You can also make free use of any combat effective RAF wings or commonwealth squadrons without fear that the Luftwaffe might massacre them.
Germany has now 10 fighters and a lot more bombers in the Lowlands. We can discuss the game mechanics on this, but IRL the Airforce would have to be where the fight is.
I once attempted a similar strategy while playing the Commune of France; I got bogged down in Belgium and knew that I could not withstand a long war of attrition. Fortunately, Austria became involved in the war and attacked the recently reunified Italian socialist state. At least a third of the German-Austrian armies were in time diverted to the Italian theater.
It's something to that effect that we are hoping for.
  1. France moves South into the boot and captures Rome, Naples, etc.
  2. Our rather rubbish 6 divisions move into defensive positions in the alps and ties down German counter-attack from Austria.
  3. Germany diverts more forces to the Italian theater
  4. Allied counter attack into the Lowlands.
  5. Germany must choose. Either they loose the war, or they loose Italy.
The southern German flank in Belgium looks tempting for a small counter-attack. Hit and run.
Not moving from the Gort line. Might be a bad move, but whatever we're doing, it's working.
you must march into Russia, into Moscow, into Siberia, Central Asia, into Vladivostok.
there's no other option.
Oh no. The Russians are now prioritising infantry production. They have 60 wings, and 160 divisions. What will they have by the time they're done with the Germans? 300? If France is strong, and if Japan attacks Vladivostok. Perhaps with a strong USA marching from the west. But the UK will not be on the frontline of any of this. with our 60 divisions (and we won't be producing more anytime soon), there's not a lot we can afford to do.
Japan is still a problem to come. it would be much easier if China in your timeline was able to drive them back to the sea. nationalists, will all the support, techs, supplies, are able to do it.
Agreed, I will look into supplying China with more help. If Italy does not fall before 1941 we have a major Japanese problem on our hands.

Best laid plans...
This Sunday our 4 new Interception wings should show up, Belgium will hopefully still stand, and The French genius Weygand's push towards Rome will gain momentum.
 
with our 60 divisions (and we won't be producing more anytime soon), there's not a lot we can afford to do.
Risky strategy. The Empire needs more men!
 
Make peace with the Soviets! Test them to see if they'll accept.
I'll see if Stalin warms up to us once the Germans invade him.
Risky strategy. The Empire needs more men!
Actually we do have 3 mountaineer division in production. I'll look into perhaps adding 1 or 2 armour divisions. But Britain is no infantry manpower nation. we fight smart, or we let our allies do the bleeding for us.

I have a rather important question: What events fire if France or Britain actually manage to take Rome? I can't imagine IRL Italy fighting on after that. I'm thinking if we take Rome; south of the boot should be willing to surrender, and the North above should belong to the Germans. how would I program that? (might be jumping the gun here, France might run out of steam next sunday)
 
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