You can set up worlds where every unclaimed land province terraforms itself to a random new type every turn (they become fixed when claimed).
"Islands in the magical void" is positively hospitable compared to some of the realms.
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You can set up worlds where every unclaimed land province terraforms itself to a random new type every turn (they become fixed when claimed).
"Islands in the magical void" is positively hospitable compared to some of the realms.
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Planetfalls water sectors got a number of rebalances and they are a valid option to take.
From what we know right now I think fisheries are a valid option to take for a city.
What I want is maybe more interactions and I am hoping for stuff like aquatic ancient wonders.
Have a "Spire of the Sunken City" that allos one to raise the surrounding terrain from the ocean floor including ruins that make building up a new city there faster.
Have resource rich islands.
And such.
As said upthread AoW1 allowed that.
Also at launch the "The Wild Hunt" Arch Druid spell in AoW3 had no restriction excluding machines and aquatic units from its effect. As such ships and Krakens got floating and could go on land. It was quickly patched.
From what we know right now I think fisheries are a valid option to take for a city.
What I want is maybe more interactions and I am hoping for stuff like aquatic ancient wonders.
Have a "Spire of the Sunken City" that allos one to raise the surrounding terrain from the ocean floor including ruins that make building up a new city there faster.
Have resource rich islands.
And such.
As said upthread AoW1 allowed that.
Also at launch the "The Wild Hunt" Arch Druid spell in AoW3 had no restriction excluding machines and aquatic units from its effect. As such ships and Krakens got floating and could go on land. It was quickly patched.
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Were they?
The economic bonuses were pretty well balanced, but because sectors also let you get roads and connect territories, I always found it very hard to justify claiming a water sector that did not have a Cosmite Node.
Claiming a land sector would help move my troops, and that always seemed more important.
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Yes, they were valid. Not overwhelmingly good.
You consider logisitics to be important and took land sectors which were better for easing movement. Valid pick.
Water sectors do provide a nice amount of resource income, and can increase even the output of other types of sectors, making them good fir resource production. Also they were nerfed because they were originally too good at resource output.
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You can just plop down a forward base to road up if you want.
If you want to push a city for food or energy then you can use water sectors to get more of those things than an off-specialisation land sector would have given.
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If a navy is implemented, which I agree would be a great future addition - one way to implement point 2/3 would be through projection of a battlefield enchantment from a nearby naval ship - with higher tier ships having a large projection area and more options. This naval ship could then have an effect on friendly war engagements - such as bombardment with explosive projectiles every other turn, firing nets onto the battlefield, launching skeleton reinforcements through a bone cannon , bombarding the battlefield with an anti magic substance, etc.
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This won't necessarily go down well in a thread full of suggestions of how to make naval gameplay better but:
I would prefer if there was the least possible amount of naval gameplay present. Toss out the mermaids and the krakens. Don't have treasure sites off the coast. If two armies must fight over water, have them set down on a conveniently placed island or beach. I've played so many of these games, and in so very few of them was I glad that naval gameplay was present. Civ 5 is probably the only one - and no that one cool map from Planetfall doesn't save it.
There's just so much effort going into it and I know that in the end I'm going to pick map generation options like "Pangaea" or "Dune Seas" so that my game can be free of damnable water. And I know I'm not the only one either. So please don't divest development time into making beautiful culturally-appropriate galleons that I'll never use or see.
PS: If Krakens are so cool that they must be in the game, let them walk the earth among us dry people. Maybe more slowly than regular units. Don't confine them to the dark corners of the game where we'll miss them through no fault of theirs.
I would prefer if there was the least possible amount of naval gameplay present. Toss out the mermaids and the krakens. Don't have treasure sites off the coast. If two armies must fight over water, have them set down on a conveniently placed island or beach. I've played so many of these games, and in so very few of them was I glad that naval gameplay was present. Civ 5 is probably the only one - and no that one cool map from Planetfall doesn't save it.
There's just so much effort going into it and I know that in the end I'm going to pick map generation options like "Pangaea" or "Dune Seas" so that my game can be free of damnable water. And I know I'm not the only one either. So please don't divest development time into making beautiful culturally-appropriate galleons that I'll never use or see.
PS: If Krakens are so cool that they must be in the game, let them walk the earth among us dry people. Maybe more slowly than regular units. Don't confine them to the dark corners of the game where we'll miss them through no fault of theirs.
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I can understand this. Navel combat that is just 'Ok' probably will just be ignored by me. Even games with good navel combat generally doesn't have me fighting on the ocean if I can help it.
On the other hand, if it is really good I'd love to have navel combat in the game. I might not use it much, but in AOW3 I was kind of surprised to find I could build boats, and I kept forgetting they were in planetfall until they showed up in the tech tree. In this way, it would be nice to have the option if there was a time to do it.
For me I think going the same way Civ does it would be best, ships that mirror the combat roles of the unites. Maybe a special role like ‘can capture ships’ version that makes money when attacking to replace support unites.
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Honestly, PF water units aren't bad tactically. They mostly suffer from a couple things : less of them in general so you don't meet as many variations. And of course a good naval stack will clean up neutral monsters spots and then won't be too useful. It's not a super high cost, of course, - and there is something that could be said about slashing their cost while they are arguiably larger and more powerful than land units, which causes a bit of dissonance - but kitted and leveled up units won't find their use later in the game.
But in tactical combat ? they have as many interesting abilities as other in general, and those are pretty different from faction to faction.
I guess in the end for a half adventuring/half city fighting game it's difficult to give navies the important role they can have in larger scope strategy games.
But in tactical combat ? they have as many interesting abilities as other in general, and those are pretty different from faction to faction.
I guess in the end for a half adventuring/half city fighting game it's difficult to give navies the important role they can have in larger scope strategy games.
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I remember playing a lot of Civ V and Beyond Earth(Criminally underrated game) and those games were a lot more favorable to naval combat.
Beyond Earth (with Rising Tide) let you START on the ocean with floating cities. Mind you, the Ocean had a lot of unique resources in that game and there were several "ocean only" buildings that helped alot. Secondly, aquatic cities could MOVE to grow their borders and acquire new resources (although quite slowly). I remember many a game where I would start as a naval civ and focus only on building naval cities. Since I focused heavily into air and naval power all of those "drylanders" could never touch me whilst I was free to ravage them with Coastal and Aeiral bombardment.
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If we get serious content for aquatic gameplay, I would prefer it be in DLC than in the base game. It needs focused attention that I don't think is possible in the base game
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Reasons why ships suck in all age of wonders games I've played.
1: ships can't capture cities.
2: ships can't support land battles through bombardment.
3: players don't become rich through sea trade because there is no trade.
4: ships can't support land units capturing cities.
Reasons why ships is good in age of wonder games.
1: they can clear sea nodes.
2: they can and will slaughter an transport fleet.
In games like civ5, you build the ships to explore the world. No buts about it. It's a goddamn necessary. Then they help protect your cities from being captured to help support your land cities and capture coastal cities. If your city is close enough to be bombarded in up to 4 hex range then ships can support. Well for 4 hex, you'll need battleships with +1 range promotion and for 3 hex you'll need regular battleships or frigates with +1 range promotion then for cities in 2 hex range you'll just need regular battleships and frigates.
Now I suspect the reason is because devs don't want to design two types of cities, an inland city and a coastal city and then have various upgrades be accounted for such as coastal fortress. Etc.
Why do that when you could just design an inland city and then make them immortal to naval units and call it a day.
1: ships can't capture cities.
2: ships can't support land battles through bombardment.
3: players don't become rich through sea trade because there is no trade.
4: ships can't support land units capturing cities.
Reasons why ships is good in age of wonder games.
1: they can clear sea nodes.
2: they can and will slaughter an transport fleet.
In games like civ5, you build the ships to explore the world. No buts about it. It's a goddamn necessary. Then they help protect your cities from being captured to help support your land cities and capture coastal cities. If your city is close enough to be bombarded in up to 4 hex range then ships can support. Well for 4 hex, you'll need battleships with +1 range promotion and for 3 hex you'll need regular battleships or frigates with +1 range promotion then for cities in 2 hex range you'll just need regular battleships and frigates.
Now I suspect the reason is because devs don't want to design two types of cities, an inland city and a coastal city and then have various upgrades be accounted for such as coastal fortress. Etc.
Why do that when you could just design an inland city and then make them immortal to naval units and call it a day.
Unless I completely misremember AoW1 had procedurally generated maps, that took the terrain of the comabt hex and the 6 surrounding ones and made that the battle map.
That meant you had rivers and coasts and water tales on the battlefield and ships on them could participate.
It didn't happen that often and had the sometimes frustration that ship or land units couldn't or wouldn't reach each other, but it was fun.
That meant you had rivers and coasts and water tales on the battlefield and ships on them could participate.
It didn't happen that often and had the sometimes frustration that ship or land units couldn't or wouldn't reach each other, but it was fun.
Well, the reinforcement range we seen could easily reach stacks in the ocean... I wonder how they handle that.
With todays stream we now have the majority of the tier 2 tomes revealed. 3 tomes, Revelry, Glades, and Fertility make special improvements for FARMS. I was expecting if anything was going to buff the FISHERY, it would be Tome of Winds or Tome of Beacon. Tome of Winds DOES NOT have a special improvement for fisheries even though one of its pictures has a sail.
Of the tier 2 tomes left to be revealed, only Beacon sounds like something that would buff fisheries (lighthouses?). It's safe to assume Inquisition, Doomherald and Necromancy are NOT going to improve fisheries. Probably Knowledge, Knowledge and conduit. I was hoping revelry would have fisheries, but it has a farm instead. Considering half the map options removes oceans, they probably thought adding fishery improvements is a waste of time. Meaning, as I said, seafaring is a trap. Fisheries are not encouraged. Wait for mods, like most other 4x games.
Of the tier 2 tomes left to be revealed, only Beacon sounds like something that would buff fisheries (lighthouses?). It's safe to assume Inquisition, Doomherald and Necromancy are NOT going to improve fisheries. Probably Knowledge, Knowledge and conduit. I was hoping revelry would have fisheries, but it has a farm instead. Considering half the map options removes oceans, they probably thought adding fishery improvements is a waste of time. Meaning, as I said, seafaring is a trap. Fisheries are not encouraged. Wait for mods, like most other 4x games.
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I think the base game is going to lack water based gameplay. But I really hope one whole DLC is just based on this to really expand it.
Water based units (which have utility on land or can do stuff against structures on land)
Improved water combat
City building on water
Many more water buildings and sites to visit
Water based units (which have utility on land or can do stuff against structures on land)
Improved water combat
City building on water
Many more water buildings and sites to visit
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Not gonna lie. I got excited when I saw that picture of a "Tome of the Deep" in that art compilation in today's Dev Dairy....until I read that it's fan art ;__;
I'd really like to re-create Nimue from AoW2/SM as a "All shall love me and despair" type of self-styled goddess queen....and that won't work very well without at least one tome based around water.
I'd really like to re-create Nimue from AoW2/SM as a "All shall love me and despair" type of self-styled goddess queen....and that won't work very well without at least one tome based around water.
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I get where you're coming from with this, and I could just be neck deep in cope, but I really think that there's some meaning to them aggressively not showing us water at all. Like, first stream they proactively expanded to avoid water, but people still saw a kraken in the fog of war apparently? And then the next one they just chose to turn off water entirely.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think they have something up their sleeves.
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