No. You have completely misunderstood.What I hear you tell me is: West Africa should be colonized in every game, because it’s absurd, dumb, and even offensive to suggest that it could have unified to resist that. Fine, then. I’ll stop discussing it with you.
There are two slightly separate conversations happening here. The first (and best) but also the least interesting is:
A fantasy formable in West Africa doesn't make sense. We have historical examples of countries that rose up and unified the part of West Africa you're talking about, and they went right on calling themselves Mali, Songhai, Ghana, Awkar, whatever. If Sokoto conquers West Africa it should remain Sokoto, ditto everyone else (Note: this is particularly true in Africa because of the particular structures of power there). Your suggestion that West Africa should get its own special formable is on par with the suggestion that Spain should get a "Western Europe" formable if it conquers France, Germany and Italy. It's just silly.Rome called itself Rome even when they dominated half of Europe. Austrians called their nation Austrian Empire until issues in Hungary forced them to compromise.
Germans and Italians united under a new flag, yes, but they had national identity.
I fail to see as to why we need fantasy formables. Sokoto that somehow conquers half of Africa, if that's even a possible miracle, should be still Sokoto.
But, people love formables. And so I have pursued a second thread of conversation in a sort of rearguard action: I know that the best answer, as quoted above, will probably be ignored, so to limit the damage I have suggested what I think is a genuinely defensible way to implement a unified West African formable.
What I have said is that if West Africa unified, there are a finite (and quite small) number of ways that could conceivably have happened. Furthermore, any unified West African polity would face the same set of constraints and challenges and would have a small set of ways to respond. Those would be at least but not exhaustively:
- The challenge of having no or very diffuse natural geographic boundaries;
- The challenge of having no unified cultural identity upon which to found a nationalism;
- The challenge of ruling over extremely diverse cultures, any of which might foment their own nationalism;
- The challenge of astonishingly difficult terrain making communications and therefore administration and the internal exercise of power incredibly challenging.
I do not think that "conquer the necessary provinces and form "West African Union" does reflect those challenges. It would be a historical nonsense shoehorned in to satisfy people who just want a thing to aim for without thinking too hard about it. I don't think that is good for the game—such additions have already ruined EUIV.
My suggestion is that, ordered to match the above:
- The natural geographic bounds of such a "unified West Africa" are the rainforests and highlands of Guinea (or I suppose the Gulf of Guinea, but this is exactly the problem: a "West Africa" formable should not include Guinea) to the south, the Atlantic to the west, the Sahara to the north and mumblemumble maybe Lake Chad to the east. It would be made up (very loosely) of the watershed of the Niger.
- The unifying cultural feature in such a state would be the river itself and their being the people of the river and/or the heirs of Timbuktu.
- Founding a nationalism on being the people of the river might (in the vein of the Young Turks efforts to generate an "Ottoman" identity) be a means to bring such diverse peoples together.
- The river would be the unifying communication channel and focus of such a realm.
In order to do that with any kind of credibility (because the lazy approach would be to just call it "Niger", but that's an external name for the river that wouldn't get international currency if West Africa resisted colonisation) we would need the tag to be named after whatever the river is called by the people who unify and speak the primary language of the hypothetical state.
So, I suggest, we should find out the name of the river in the languages of each potential unifying tag/culture and, depending who unifies it, that should be the tag's name. There are eighteen cultures in the region in EUIV (including Tuaregs and the Gulf of Guinea coast, which shouldn't be included), so that's eighteen names to find (there are twenty in Victoria 2). I've already listed ten after about twenty seconds on Google. Finding names in other languages as necessary would be Not Very Hard.
You have responded to the above suggestion with "well we can't expect devs to do all that work making all those different tags just for slightly different names" to which I observed that Paradox games have dynamic name/flag technology and it could just be one tag with a name and flag depending on the country which formed it.
You then responded with "well we can't expect devs to do all that research".
My answer to both "it would be a lot of work" and "it would be a lot of research" is yes. But it's necessary. If it's too much work or too much research to compellingly introduce an ahistorical formable with genuine verisimilitude, then it's too much work and research to implement a West Africa formable and they just shouldn't do it. Refer to the aforementioned best answer to the question; case closed.
What is absurd, dumb and even offensive is the suggestion that West Africa should have a formable and that formable should just be something bland and fantastical because the developers can't be expected to do the work and research necessary to make it compelling and convincing. In essence that is a suggestion that West Africa and its history exists to be a source of entertainment for players of video games (a formable! Fun!) but is not worthy of the time, effort and respect necessary to do the work and research that would make it compelling and convincing. We have seen exactly that way of thinking at work in EUIV with the implementation of Māori (and I'm sure others, but as a Māori that case is close to me) and I do not wish it on anyone else.
I am open to other suggestions for compelling ways to include a unified West African formable with verisimilitude and believability. There have been a couple in this thread:
I think Sudan would have been a good name for a pan-West African country (were it not for Sudan's meaning to migrate to the present country.)
I fail to see as to why we need fantasy formables. Sokoto that somehow conquers half of Africa, if that's even a possible miracle, should be still Sokoto.
Your suggestion, so far, is that such state is essentially just called "West Africa".I definitely wouldn't be opposed (in fact I think it'd be some really nice flavour) to a Mali or Ghana tag for example
This is lazy, ignorant and, for reasons outlined above, offensive. On a scale of 1 to 10, where 10 is a plethora of potential formable tags based on the genuine well-researched geopolitical aims of polities in the region and 1 is just not adding a formable at all, a formable "West Africa" would be around about -3.“The West African Caliphate” is completely self-explanatory (and can easily become the People’s Republic of West Africa or whatever it needs to), but doesn’t have much flavor.
Just to further emphasise my point:
I'll support a "West Africa" formable when we get a formable "Europe".
I hope this makes my position clear.
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