One of our miners has had a Strange Mood and created a $129,000 dwarf-buck statue of a troll murdering an elf.
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Btw, just to be clear, until I catch up then I'm not gonna read any new posts unless I'm specifically tagged/quoted. So make sure to tag/quote me when answering questions.
(It's to not end up getting spoiled on what's happened so far.)
So you can't build a second level on a wall without scaffolding? You can't use the existing wall as scaffold, with just a ramp in one end to get on top of it?
Or how does that work? (Though, perhaps I'll get to see that when I get read up.)
Also, how deep is the world? Anything below the magma?
Also, am I correct on a level being 5 m, then? Since you said 100 m deep. Meaning 1 level must be 5 metres to fit 20 levels.
(It's to not end up getting spoiled on what's happened so far.)
How tall are the caves? You make it sound like they're really tall.
So you can't build a second level on a wall without scaffolding? You can't use the existing wall as scaffold, with just a ramp in one end to get on top of it?
So the forges are on a lavel above the magma?
Or how does that work? (Though, perhaps I'll get to see that when I get read up.)
Also, how deep is the world? Anything below the magma?
Why not make it even deeper, then?
Also, am I correct on a level being 5 m, then? Since you said 100 m deep. Meaning 1 level must be 5 metres to fit 20 levels.
Seems I got my answer in the very next post I had got to.
Is the drawbridge that round thingie in the floor? (I'm not sure exactly how to read much of the graphics.)
What's that bag thingie walled up to the left?
So the forge is above the magma and have the magma pumped into it and hence avoids any nasty creatures?
Also, why aren't you mining out those gems in the walls and the bricking up the holes?
@Wagonlitz
1) The height of the caves varies, from game to game, from cave to cave, and from place to place. They are irregular, just like natural caves.
2) Doing it that way would mean that only one dwarf at a time could work on the wall. It would take years. The caverns are DANGEROUS. You want to expose your dwarves to the caverns for minutes (if at all), not for years.
3) I hollow out a room one level above the magma, so that only the thickness of the floor seperates us from the lava. I cut a hole in the floor and immediately build a forge BLOCKING the hole. That way, the forge is in direct contact with the magma, but no monsters can come up and burn us.
4) The magma forges are on level 27. Below that is the magma sea. Below that is an (almost) impervious layer, made of a non-diggable substance called Slade. Below that is Hell, populated by hundreds of demons (not kidding). There are usually a few ways into Hell... but that's for the end-game.
5) The deeper I make the dodge-em trap, the greater the chance of breaking through the ceiling of a cavern... and the longer it takes to finish. We needed to get our defenses ready before Invaders arrived.
6) My "100 meters deep" estimate was for flavor. Not sure how tall each level is.
How can you get down to the bottom? Have a door exiting into the floor?
Can you reuse sand bags?
Is it also way level 27, or do you need to dig an experimental shaft until you hit lava and then plug the hole to the lava to avoid beasts coming up?
Seems I got my answer in the very next post I had got to.
Is the drawbridge that round thingie in the floor? (I'm not sure exactly how to read much of the graphics.)
What's that bag thingie walled up to the left?
So the forge is above the magma and have the magma pumped into it and hence avoids any nasty creatures?
Yes, that's a drawbridge. The ones that are equidimensional (2x2, 3x3, etc) typically look round.
in the left corner is a designated dumping spot, just to clear the loose rock off the floor so we could build the forges easily.
Gems? Don't need many. I only mine enough to satisfy dwarves who demand them for an artrifact they are constructing.
Money is the LEAST of our worries.
Diagonally. Dwarves will move diagonally, they just won't CONSTRUCT things (walls, floors, fortifications, etc) unless an orthogonal tile exists.
Yes, I have a drawbridge sealing the room next to the bottom of the dodge-em-trap.
Yes.
You need to dig around to find it. The dimensions of everything (ground level, rock layers, cavern layers, magma sea, hell) all vary depending on where you are in the world. The crust tends to by thickest in the mountains, for instance.
No. I didn't claim Mountainhome status yet. Too busy to prepare the royal chambers.
Should I get working on that?
How can they hand halfway up the wall?
Isn't there a danger or him defecting during war with goblins?
I thoguht you wanted to use platinum.
Why did you roof the drop em trap?
Also, why are the ramps doing a 90 degree turn at the third level?
How can you see on a drawbridge that it's countersunk?
Why is it two levels wide?
Why are there no traps for the southern gate?
That sounds wrong. No way each of the walls is 250 tiles long, and that's th only way you'd get to 1000 blocks per level.
How big is it?
Are those traps before teh dodge em?
What is that 47 after teh FPS?
Ah, so they can squeeze through what appears to be no space between two blocks?
@Wagonlitz
- How can they hand halfway up the wall?
Rough stone walls are easy to climb (that's why I put an overhang on our fortress walls). Walls built out of blocks are harder. Walls that have been deliberately smoothed and polished are even harder.
- Isn't there a danger or him defecting during war with goblins?
I've never seen it happen, no.
- I thoguht you wanted to use platinum.
I talked about using Iron (there wasn't nearly enough platinum available to cover 70 tiles, back then). But I ended up waiting until I had enough platinum instead.
- Why did you roof the drop em trap?
Flying attackers. They would fly right over the traps, and if the drawbridge at the bottom of the Dodge-Em Trap was open they could fly down and invade our fort.
- Also, why are the ramps doing a 90 degree turn at the third level?
It leads up to our underground farm. Underground farms must either be made in soil (sand, in our case) or must have mud spread on the rock first.
- How can you see on a drawbridge that it's countersunk?
Little walls sticking out on both sides, to mask the edges when the drawbridge is in raised position.
- Why is it two levels wide?
Wide? Traffic. Only one dwarf can stand on each tile. Others have to lay down to let him go by. It slows the dwarves down.
Long? So I can TELL by glancing at it whether it's open or shut. A shut drawbridge occupies only one row, regardless of its dimensions. So two tiles long = open, one tile long = shut. I can tell with just a quick glance, instead of pausing and querying the game.
- Why are there no traps on the south gate?
There are. Those green things are Cage Traps. There are no DEADLY traps (red traps) at the southern gate, because it is for sorties, and I don't want my own wounded dwarves setting off a deadly trap by collapsing on it. I keep that gate shut most of the time.
- That sounds wrong. No way each of the walls is 250 tiles long, and that's th only way you'd get to 1000 blocks per level.
I have an in-game counter that tells me how many blocks have been used. You probably are only counting the wall itself. Floors, roofs, ramps etc all use blocks.
- How big is it?
Not large. Maybe 15 tiles. But it's PAVED with weapon traps that attack thirty times per tile.
- Are those traps before teh dodge em?
The ones in front of the south gate.
- What is that 47 after teh FPS?
The 100 is calculated FPS (but it only says 100 because the game is paused in that screen shot). The 47 is displayed FPS.
My current ACTUAL (unpaused) FPS is about 35.
- Ah, so they can squeeze through what appears to be no space between two blocks?
Yes.
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How can you defend against fliers? Aside from a roof.
Found any lions or giraffes yet?I think I like dissecting animals more, who would give a dissector such a blunt instrument?
Cats are really bad to lose?
Why aren't there traps where the path turns?
Any risk of the dogs moving?
Why are there trap doors on both sides of each door?
Is that magma to the bottom of that screen shot? I.e. is a red 7 the symbol for magma?
I have one.
Why not just have it be 3 tiles wide? As in, why can't the pumps be directly above each other, instead of diagonally?
@Wagonlitz
1) You can't. A roof it is.
2) Nobody is forced to step on those tiles. They can move diagonally to get around the corner.
3) It's on a chain.
4) Those are walls. The game uses a different graphic for the END of a wall.
5) A red 7 is magma, yes. A blue 7 is water. The number (7) is the depth... 7 is totally full, 1 is knee-deep.
6) Not sure I understand the question. The pumps ARE directly above each other. Pumps are 1 tile wide and 2 tiles long. That, plus an empty tile to lift magma from and an empty tile to push magma to, makes 4 tiles in total.
I meant the ramps up to the walls.
There's no underground farms there, at least not on page 11 which is where I've got to so far.
How can you see that on the map?
Ah. Didn't realise they were two tiles long, henc emy confusion.
I meant just in front and just behind of the doors in each end of the dodge em as well as at the end of the maze. Can't be walls or the dwarves wouldn't be able to use them either.